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  • INFJ - Ni is more pessimistic

    4 7.02%
  • INFJ - Ni is more optimistic

    0 0%
  • ENFP - Ne is more pessimistic

    1 1.75%
  • ENFP - Ne is more optimistic

    7 12.28%
  • INTJ - Ni is more pessimistic

    4 7.02%
  • INTJ - Ni is more optimistic

    2 3.51%
  • ENTP - Ne is more pessimistic

    1 1.75%
  • ENTP - Ne is more optimistic

    2 3.51%
  • Ni is more pessimistic

    7 12.28%
  • Ne is more pessimistic

    0 0%
  • They are equal

    6 10.53%
  • This poll is trash

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    Glowy Goopy Goodness The_Liquid_Laser's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heart&Brain View Post
    From my experience with other dom-Ns, it seems as if Ni is constantly scanning for any possible tiny thing that could go wrong, while Ne is scanning for any tiny chance that the impossible could be made possible. Ni doesn't want to be unpleasantly surprised and Ne doesn't want to miss any opportunity. In this aspect Ni = pessimist and Ne = optimist. But of course they are both ways of percieving reality in the ways that gives them the most pleasure and the least fear.
    And I think that the Aux-function will often counter the inherent dominant optimism or pessimism for all four types. Te will achive visible results for INTJs, Fe will achive social connectivity for INFJs, Fi will beat up ENFPs for not meeting their own ideals and Ti will beat up ENTPs for never being thorough enough. Or something like that. Thus, all four types have each their enthusiastic and depressive potentials, each their temperance of optimistic or pessimistic tendencies.
    I guess.
    This is correct.

    Ne is optimistic and Ni is pessimistic as far as functions go. This is because the extraverted functions are optimistic and the introverted functions are pessimistic. Being an ENTP doesn't make me a total optimist, but my pessimism comes from Ti and not Ne. Likewise an INTJ is going to get their optimism from Te rather than Ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Likewise an INTJ is going to get their optimism from Te rather than Ni.
    Overall I think I agree with Heart&Brain (), but I want to note that Ni can also envision a future that is better than the present, thus providing hope (and putting the auxiliary function to work on realizing that future).

    That came in very handy when I was a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Overall I think I agree with Heart&Brain (), but I want to note that Ni can also envision a future that is better than the present, thus providing hope (and putting the auxiliary function to work on realizing that future).

    That came in very handy when I was a teenager.
    I'd have to wonder if the optimism really comes from envisioning a positive future (Ni) or in believing that you can make this future happen (Te). Also how much of this vision involves avoiding negative pitfalls that can occur along the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I'd have to wonder if the optimism really comes from envisioning a positive future (Ni) or in believing that you can make this future happen (Te). Also how much of this vision involves avoiding negative pitfalls that can occur along the way?
    I don't think that the definition of either function includes engaging in the behaviors you cited.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    This is correct.

    Ne is optimistic and Ni is pessimistic as far as functions go. This is because the extraverted functions are optimistic and the introverted functions are pessimistic. Being an ENTP doesn't make me a total optimist, but my pessimism comes from Ti and not Ne. Likewise an INTJ is going to get their optimism from Te rather than Ni.

    I don't think any function is optimistic or pessimistic by definition. A function is merely a tendency to be energized in a certain manner. So, if you are an intuitive, you are more easily energized by using your mind more than your senses, if you are an extrovert you are more easily energized by acting rather than remaining passive.

    Whether a person of a certain type is more optimistic than a person of another type is a context specific question. A person who is optimistic by definition tends to think that his future will be well. A person who is pessimistic by definition tends to think that the future won't be well. Whether one has a habit of thinking the future will or won't be well has more to do with extra-typological factors rather than typological factors. These factors are psychological in nature. For example, what was his or her upbringing like? Were most of his expectations in life fulfilled? Altogether, were his life experiences such that he or she has a reason to hope that something good will happen in the future?

    At last, I do think that there is some merit to this debate regarding whether or not a certain function is more optimistic than another function. After all, functions are our tendencies to think in a certain manner. In the Western culture, it is much easier to create a scenario where good things happen for you if you are outgoing, a conformist and a people person. Our culture is decidedly unintellectual, person focused and promotes interaction rather than passive activity.

    Your conclusion is correct, but not for the reasons that you state. Ni people tend to be more pessimistic than Ne people because the Western culture is less accommodating to them than it is for Ne people. I don't think that there is anything inherent within the concept of Ni or introversion in general that predisposes a person to be negative other than this: since an Introvert is much more comfortable with contemplation than action, action seems to him something that goes against his very nature. Hence, he may have a mildly negative attitude towards action because of his nature. However, this could quite easily be overcome. The Introvert is never a complete introvert, or his dispositions are not such that he gains positive energy only by contemplation and never by action, as Extroverted tendencies are part of the psychological economy of every introvert. Hence, any Introvert can avoid becoming intensely hostile to the world by simply putting some basic limitations on how much time and effort he spends on interacting with the world. The extroverted components of his psychological economy will demand some interaction and therefore a certain dose of interaction will enable him to engage in activity and to gain positive energy at the same time.

    A person who has a dominant Ni function and behaves in the manner that I described should not be focusing much more on negative possibilities rather than the positive.

    As a general note, I suggest that when we are attempting to understand the causes of a person's actions or simply put, understand how people are, we should step away from typological explanations and embrace the psychological ones. Instead of saying that somebody is a certain way because they are of a certain type, we should regard the circumstances of that person as the true cause of their nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I'd have to wonder if the optimism really comes from envisioning a positive future (Ni) or in believing that you can make this future happen (Te). Also how much of this vision involves avoiding negative pitfalls that can occur along the way?
    Believing one can make a positive future happen starts with the vision of the future, yes? Te feels entirely subordinate in this regard. Ni says make it happen; Te complies. It is only recently that I've even begun allowing Te to reply with all due respect, are you taking into account (potential pitfall x)?

    SW is probably right that other psychological factors play at least as much into this as type though. Personally I've enjoyed a lot of reinforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Your conclusion is correct, but not for the reasons that you state.
    Maybe not for the reasons that you see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    SW is probably right that other psychological factors play at least as much into this as type though. Personally I've enjoyed a lot of reinforcement.

    Although you have made a true statement, I would very much like to argue that psychological factors play a significantly greater role than the typological in the regard of shaping a person into an optimist or a pessimist. All typological factors account for is the habits of thought that a person has. By definition, these habits have little to do with optimism or pessimism.
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    Wouldnt have thought any less of you
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    What's the question actually? Compare Ne with Ni? How can we do that?
    * searching for Ni function *

    Or is the question: is Ne more optimistic than pessimistic?
    In that case, I can answer yes. I'm a total optimist. I can't imagine a single pessimistic function inside my mind.

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