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  • I am a happy N

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    10 12.99%
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Hmm.. not abiding by authority..
    Couldn't you have that same kind of trouble with other ENTJ's?
    Just a thought.
    For some reason, no, I don't have the same problem...perhaps we see the world more similarly, thus it's easier to avoid headbutt.

    Literally or figuratively? Kill you, I mean...?
    Kill is figurative, but they definitely tried to beat me up more than once, during a fit of rage.
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    So yeah, musttry, I would say there is this misconception that Ns are the smart ones, you see it the hell all over the place. I kind of assumed most of my family members were NFs or NTs initially because of this, and the fact that I have this very intellectually-focused family. On further examination, I've decided most of them are SJs and SPs. Of the eight of us, I think there's probably one NF (me) and one, possibly two, NTs, which coincides with what is considered to be the standard personality percentages. I think you can blame Keirsey and personality page for this, not to mention those 'do who you are' people who figure careers into the whole personality equation. I think that's what confuses people more than anything.

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    Well, that is definitely over-the-top; however, I wonder if one could generalize and extend that to most ESTJs...

    I knew an xSTJ who actually took the test (he didn't put much stock in it, though). He was actually really reserved and stuff...if anything he wasn't at all violent...just a little bit stuffy...But he had really good sides to him - he could engage me in good discussion; he could flirt and be funny; it was kind of weird to see a calendar with naked chicks on the wall and nothing else but white paint and a spotlessly kept apartment. My god, he was so anal-retentive with cleaning, but had that naked chick calendar up on the wall. Weird. But amusing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Well, that is definitely over-the-top; however, I wonder if one could generalize and extend that to most ESTJs...

    I knew an xSTJ who actually took the test (he didn't put much stock in it, though). He was actually really reserved and stuff...if anything he wasn't at all violent...just a little bit stuffy...But he had really good sides to him - he could engage me in good discussion; he could flirt and be funny; it was kind of weird to see a calendar with naked chicks on the wall and nothing else but white paint and a spotlessly kept apartment. My god, he was so anal-retentive with cleaning, but had that naked chick calendar up on the wall. Weird. But amusing!
    Yeah well, I'm not saying that ESTJs are a bad type overall, it's just that they are not compatible with FDG, as far as my experience goes. They could easily be compatible with all the other 15 types, or even with ENTJs that are not FDG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Yea, you only see that S/N divide on the website though, not in real life. I've never known an N to look down on me in real life for the simple fact that they are an N. (Some people just look down on others IRL because they are plain jerks, but there doesn't seem to be a correlation between that and N vs. S.)

    I figure if people wish to type themselves N to have power on this one website, then good for them. Won't do them much good outside of here, though.

    I agree darling. Most of my friends/acquaintances IRL are NT's .. We don't have communication problems and get along really well. I enjoy their approach to life and not one of them puts any kind of power over me .. They are my friends afterall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yeah well, I'm not saying that ESTJs are a bad type overall, it's just that they are not compatible with FDG, as far as my experience goes. They could easily be compatible with all the other 15 types, or even with ENTJs that are not FDG.
    Awww...it could be the case when two Alpha males come together (or even Alpha male + Alpha female) that there is a BOOM and then holy crap!

    I'm quite the opposite of Alpha....I'm probably more like, you know, Epsilon or something.....Zed...yeah. So when Alphas come into contact with me, they relax somewhat, or at least don't feel the need to rip my head off and ROAR BARBAROUSLY while holding my head up in the air and chanting battle hymns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    why aren't there a whole lot of sensors on here? Maybe because mbti is just theory. Most the sensors are outside playing right now.
    Yes, I think that's pretty much it. I don't buy the whole idea that a substantial proportion of self-typed Ns are just sensors who want to see themselves as smart or unique. The sensors I know IRL aren't the type of people who'd want to read through pages of people toying with personality theory, analyzing, introspecting, finding meaning in behaviour patterns, etc. I've mentioned mbti to my S mother before, and she immediately asked, "So? What's that for? What can you do with that?" Something has to be "for" something to be worth her time. I mean, I mentioned a few possible practical applications but since those aren't really the point to me anyway, our conversation didn't get very far.

    I posted this link on the "What type are you?" thread:

    Who becomes a psychologist?

    85% of psychologists studied were N types. This is quite significant when you consider that Ns are a minority in the population. So yeah, I think it's mostly about interest.

    I think the disdain expressed toward sensors is more a result of N-types dominating message boards like this than a cause. Ns are something of a minority out in the real world and a strong majority on personality theory boards, so it makes sense that people would often talk about frustrations they have with sensors (communication problems, difficulties finding shared interests...). I've seen similar stuff on boards dedicated to a specific personality type: introverts frequently talking about all the ways extroverts irritate them, feelers talking about how thinkers piss them off, etc.

    Yeah, it's too bad when that becomes disdain for an entire group, and sometimes that happens.

    I've never wished I was a sensor though. I like being an N. I like playing with ideas and watching others do the same. I even like laughing about my Se-oblivious moments. If I could change a preference it would likely be the I, but that's 'cause I'm a very strong I and it's caused me problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankpages View Post
    Yes, I think that's pretty much it. I don't buy the whole idea that a substantial proportion of self-typed Ns are just sensors who want to see themselves as smart or unique. The sensors I know IRL aren't the type of people who'd want to read through pages of people toying with personality theory, analyzing, introspecting, finding meaning in behaviour patterns, etc. I've mentioned mbti to my S mother before, and she immediately asked, "So? What's that for? What can you do with that?"
    I think there are S types who are interested, obviously- they're here. That said, it just makes my ESFP husband roll his eyes. He tries to be interested sometimes, because it's something I'm interested in, but he really couldn't give a shit. He'd much rather be out skateboarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    This website can glorify N's as being mystical and ideal at times.
    You know, I'm fighting against any notion of mystical connections between random things. I believe firmly in randomness rather than destiny.
    However, I'm constantly looking for general principles. Physical laws. Not New Age connections. I try to combine quantum mechanics with general relativity until my head blows up, I gather the pieces and I try again. I try to find a thousand different ways to explain the laws of Newton to people who see physics as a sort of maths, only more difficult as there are units to take care of.
    That's what makes me an N. Not that mystical nonsense. Maybe that's also the T speaking here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    What do so many people have against ESTJs? No wonder none of them frequent the website...sheesh!
    *runs ahead, trying to elbow her way throught the army of ESTJs to defend them and failing at it - they are ESTJs after all*

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I think there are S types who are interested, obviously- they're here. That said, it just makes my ESFP husband roll his eyes. He tries to be interested sometimes, because it's something I'm interested in, but he really couldn't give a shit. He'd much rather be out skateboarding.
    True, some are. I was talking in generalities. Some sensors are interested in typology, just like some sensors do go into psychology. The proportions of S and N types will vary in different interest areas, is what I was sayin'. So you can't conclude that say, 70% of people here are really sensors, just because those are the stats for the general population.

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