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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I just "get" things, concepts, easily that some other people don't. I also recognize this quality in others when they share the ability to "get it". Unfortunately, that is my poor description of what intuition is for me.
    Yes, same for me. I don't experience this "cloud" metaphor in the OP - things are just clearly obvious, usually.

    I'm with INTJMom - I think you sound like an ISxJ, sometimes feeling the pull or twinge of Ne (since everybody has it), but because your Si is so dominant over it, it sort of drowns it out in much the same way that I feel Si - like a half-remembered dream that comes and goes in strange images that you can't quite recall or make sense of, that slip away like eels when you try to grasp at them. In other words, you sound like you're feeling Ne in its guise as an inferior function.

    Intuition is exactly your subconscious mind trying to tell you something. People with strong or dominant intuition *do* pick it up, straight away, without trying most of the time. It's not a struggle unless intuition is a weaker function for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Wow, for a bunch of intuitives you guys are REALLY bad at describing the marveled "intuition" that you possess.
    Maybe it's just because it's "what we do" so it's hard for us to describe it to others. Like, for example, my grandfather was really good at math, and he got frustrated with people who aren't, and at the same time, he wasn't a terribly good teacher, either. So even though he had natural talent at math, and had trouble relating to those who weren't, he also had trouble passing that knowledge on to people who didn't "get it."

    Ne is like that for me...I see patterns in things, connections, and I analyze accordingly. I sometimes don't understand why other people can't. So, no, I'm not great at explaining it because it seems like such an innate part of me. I simply recognize if others do it or don't.

    Simulated World asked a similar question about how SJs used their strong Si, and their answers weren't much better, so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Maybe it's just because it's "what we do" so it's hard for us to describe it to others. Like, for example, my grandfather was really good at math, and he got frustrated with people who aren't, and at the same time, he wasn't a terribly good teacher, either. So even though he had natural talent at math, and had trouble relating to those who weren't, he also had trouble passing that knowledge on to people who didn't "get it."

    Ne is like that for me...I see patterns in things, connections, and I analyze accordingly. I sometimes don't understand why other people can't. So, no, I'm not great at explaining it because it seems like such an innate part of me. I simply recognize if others do it or don't.

    Simulated World asked a similar question about how SJs used their strong Si, and their answers weren't much better, so....
    I don't think that those things that are most habitual to us are always so easy to explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    Yes, same for me. I don't experience this "cloud" metaphor in the OP - things are just clearly obvious, usually.

    I'm with INTJMom - I think you sound like an ISxJ, sometimes feeling the pull or twinge of Ne (since everybody has it), but because your Si is so dominant over it, it sort of drowns it out in much the same way that I feel Si - like a half-remembered dream that comes and goes in strange images that you can't quite recall or make sense of, that slip away like eels when you try to grasp at them. In other words, you sound like you're feeling Ne in its guise as an inferior function.

    Intuition is exactly your subconscious mind trying to tell you something. People with strong or dominant intuition *do* pick it up, straight away, without trying most of the time. It's not a struggle unless intuition is a weaker function for you.
    YES! Si is EXACTLY LIKE THIS FOR ME~ dreamy. I experience Si as stubbornly nostalgic early childhood memories, and deep attachments to old songs, and irrational fears (sometimes panic attacks) in unfamiliar situations that seem beyond my control. That is because my Si is inferior, so it's not well-formed for me.

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    Yeah... can an ISxJ describe to me just how they develop and follow routines, recognise procedures and recall sensory information? How they explain, just off the cuff, exactly what they did or thought to arrive at a certan point?

    The ones I've talked to about it have reacted with incredulity and great amusement when I've told them that this process and those who are adept at it are mysterious and intimidating to me. Because to them it's just natural. And because it's just natural (ie dominant or secondary function) to the majority of the population, that makes it "normal", and it makes me ridiculous for even suggesting that for me it's very difficult. They can see I'm not stupid, and yet I say I can't handle this "simple" thing, therefore either I'm lying, or I've got some kind of disorder, to their eyes.

    Edit - same goes for SP's mind you, to whom I've tried to relate my weaknesses with just uh, noticing shit and really just being "present" (in any sense but that of being literally physically present)
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    Why do I feel like I'm back in high school, reading artificially deep poetry and being told I don't "get it?" And yeah, those quotes would be air quotes too.

    I'm still trying to figure this Ne-thing out... so, like, if I'm eating ice cream, and the ice cream starts to melt, and that makes me think of global warming and melting glaciers, and glaciers make me think of the North pole, and then I start thinking about Santa Claus, and the next words out of my mouth are "ever notice how all classic Christmas movies have greed as the basic theme?" would that make me Ne-dom or crazy?

    Heh, I'm a likely sensor, and I can use sarcasm online!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Maybe it's just because it's "what we do" so it's hard for us to describe it to others. Like, for example, my grandfather was really good at math, and he got frustrated with people who aren't, and at the same time, he wasn't a terribly good teacher, either. So even though he had natural talent at math, and had trouble relating to those who weren't, he also had trouble passing that knowledge on to people who didn't "get it."

    Ne is like that for me...I see patterns in things, connections, and I analyze accordingly. I sometimes don't understand why other people can't. So, no, I'm not great at explaining it because it seems like such an innate part of me. I simply recognize if others do it or don't.

    Simulated World asked a similar question about how SJs used their strong Si, and their answers weren't much better, so....
    Bolded- Actually there were a lot of good answers in there (detailed ones too), and he got his question answered. But that's beside the point...

    I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. I was actually being inflammatory to get people to try harder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    I don't think that those things that are most habitual to us are always so easy to explain.
    Pretty much yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthie View Post
    Why do I feel like I'm back in high school, reading artificially deep poetry and being told I don't "get it?" And yeah, those quotes would be air quotes too.

    I'm still trying to figure this Ne-thing out... so, like, if I'm eating ice cream, and the ice cream starts to melt, and that makes me think of global warming and melting glaciers, and glaciers make me think of the North pole, and then I start thinking about Santa Claus, and the next words out of my mouth are "ever notice how all classic Christmas movies have greed as the basic theme?" would that make me Ne-dom or crazy?

    Heh, I'm a likely sensor, and I can use sarcasm online!
    Well, I'm not trying to be poetic. I'm trying to use whatever words I have in my vocabulary to describe as accurately and truthfully as I can, things from my personal experience. If that all ends up sounding so foreign and weird to you that you can only surmise that it's "artificially deep", then I guess you're *not* getting it, in the sense of not relating to it. Which isn't a crime, obviously.

    That chain of thoughts you describe there is not an intuitive one, because each item along it is linked by a clear and obvious connection. If you said you were licking an ice-cream and it put you in mind of gaseous nebulae, which reminded you of a noise a zombie made in a horror movie you saw once but can't remember the title or any other details of, but it made you think about the process of manufacturing pencils and all of this made you realise it was time to clear out the gutters in your house and that if you took a cane with you when walkng the dog, you could use it to nudge him and stop him crossing over in front of you on the leash... *that* would be Ne.

    I could probably back-engineer each of those stages and we'd find that arriving at each one was a perfectly logical step because of the way the connections work in my mind between the things I've encountered in my life. They're not arranged linearly, they're not a flow chart. But it'd take hours and hours for me to figure it out myself, this thought process that happened within a second or two in my head - and why bother when the final conclusion is true, and works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthie View Post
    Why do I feel like I'm back in high school, reading artificially deep poetry and being told I don't "get it?" And yeah, those quotes would be air quotes too.

    I'm still trying to figure this Ne-thing out... so, like, if I'm eating ice cream, and the ice cream starts to melt, and that makes me think of global warming and melting glaciers, and glaciers make me think of the North pole, and then I start thinking about Santa Claus, and the next words out of my mouth are "ever notice how all classic Christmas movies have greed as the basic theme?" would that make me Ne-dom or crazy?

    Heh, I'm a likely sensor, and I can use sarcasm online!
    I personally am good at spotting greater themes of human nature and societal issues in literature and history. I can easily see how people from one century are incredibly like the people of today even though we seem so different superficialy. I can see how the same behavior is carried out in cultures that look extremely dissimilar. I tend to excel at analyzing psychological and social themes in literature and poetry. I do well in "interdisciplanary classes" which connect different subjects to each other. I'm also an amateur psychoanalyst.

    How do you know it was "artificially deep" if you really didn't get it? I don't say that algebra and physics are worthless subjects for artificially intelligent people even if it's extraordinarily difficult for me to grasp the concepts applied within those subjects.

    There may be some judgement toward Ss from the N side, but I also see some mocking here from the S side towards the Ns....just because what we do isn't what you are personally good at doesn't make it "artificially deep" or useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Bolded- Actually there were a lot of good answers in there (detailed ones too), and he got his question answered. But that's beside the point...

    I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. I was actually being inflammatory to get people to try harder.



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    There weren't any detailed answers from SJs in that thread for the first two or three pages. I'm excited at the prospect of going back to that thread and seeing his question answered. I guess I stopped checking it before I should have. I'm glad there's more information there now.

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