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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    A well-adjusted INTP can be very pleasant company, interesting to have discussions with, and full of useful and fascinating information. They're willing to talk about any subject and tend to know at least something about most things, and what they don't know they're willing to learn.

    HOWEVER, sometimes when talking with INTP's, I've got the impression that they're not so much having a conversation, as trying to make sure everyone knows they're clever. I know one in particular who seems to be so worried that people won't realise how clever he is and how much he knows, that he just spews out trivia at the most inappropriate times, all the time. Like the guy I mentioned before who, at a dinner party, when people are making small talk and getting to know each other, responds to someone who says they're thinking of getting a nice, decorative chess board with a full etymology of the phrase "check mate", to the boredom and disinterest of everyone. And he also insists on using very flowery, formal language all of the time, as if he's more 'reading an essay' to us than casually talking.

    I know that he doesn't mean to annoy people with any of this, but it's quite hard at times to keep this in mind because he can simply be just so damn annoying and boring. On the few occasions when I've got him to just chill the fuck out and stop trying to prove something all the time, he's been great fun and we've laughed our asses off playing each other at Mario Kart and stuff.

    If there is anything I could recognise as a trait or pattern in my dealings with all the INTP's I've known then it'd be this: that I constantly feel like I'm having to restrain myself from saying to them "Dude, relax - we know you're clever, nobody disputes it. There's no need to keep trying to prove it."

    It's either feast or famine - either they're sitting aloof and not speaking to anyone and keeping all their thoughts to themselves, or they're launching into boring and unsolicited monologues, oblivious to the disinterest of their listeners!!

    It happens worse in group situations, far worse. It still happens sometimes in the one-on-one, but less often. So I've sometimes been in the position of having an INTP friend who, though I can enjoy spending time with them when it's just us, if I think of inviting him along with a group to something, I cringe inwardly at the potential for total embarrassment and awkwardness, and then the rest of the group complaining at me the next day for bringing that world class bore with me! lol

    INTPs tend not to be interested in proving anything to anyone because they are led by an internal standard. The problem with people that you describe is that they are so intensely focused on their thought experiments, that they are willing to go at whatever great lengths to carry them. This leads them to discount the external environment. I doubt such INTPs are even clearly aware of how others perceive them, even more I doubt that they are deliberately trying to convince others of their cleverness.

    The latter is mostly ENT business, or whatever is associated with applying Thinking externally. INTJs are more likely to do this than INTPs because of their Extroverted Thinking factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    INTPs tend not to be interested in proving anything to anyone because they are led by an internal standard. The problem with people that you describe is that they are so intensely focused on their thought experiments, that they are willing to go at whatever great lengths to carry them. This leads them to discount the external environment. I doubt such INTPs are even clearly aware of how others perceive them, even more I doubt that they are deliberately trying to convince others of their cleverness.

    The latter is mostly ENT business, or whatever is associated with applying Thinking externally. INTJs are more likely to do this than INTPs because of their Extroverted Thinking factor.
    Actually when Xander said it sounded like an ISTJ he knows, it got me thinking and I'm currently considering the possibility the the guy I was talking about most there might actually be ISTJ, though he's firmly convinced he's INTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Actually when Xander said it sounded like an ISTJ he knows, it got me thinking and I'm currently considering the possibility the the guy I was talking about most there might actually be ISTJ, though he's firmly convinced he's INTP.
    Hmm..

    INTPs tend not to be boring. When I first read your post, I thought you were saying 'world-class boor', not bore..that would make a lot more sense if we're talking about a neurotic INTP with hardly any consideration for the feelings of others...

    Though as for 'bore' ISJs definitely take the top there..as they are often the least imaginative. INTPs by contrast tend to be highly stimulating, not only in virtue of their N, but also with their ability to make good use of their Intuitions by applying proper judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    In conversations, INTPs are:

    1. Able to understand easily the content of what others are saying.
    2. Very funny (when they want to be). They can see the humor in everything and point it out in a funny way.
    3. Very interesting/profound in terms of the actual ideas they bring up. They usually take a conversation to the "next level" rather than allowing it to remain stale and shallow (by their standards).
    4. Can take a conversation in many different directions.
    5. Can converse adequately on a variety of topics (if they allowed their Ne to develop) -- they tend to dabble in many different fields of knowledge, along with deeper focus on their favorites.
    6. Good listeners, because they let others lead until they get comfortable.
    7. Fair in their assessments.
    8. Have few boundaries, so anyone can bring up any topic and have it be acceptable, without feeling embarrassed.
    9. Handle stress well. Ne-adaptability, and Ti detachment shelters them from maladies that deeply afflict others. I'd argue that not even the ENTP, but the INTP is the most adaptable type. ENTPs adjust better to external situations, yet INTPs require less of their external environment and are more judicious in their decisions. Hence, they can be satisfied with almost all kinds of external circumstances that befall them. As they need very little to be content, merely enough to be able to retreat to their thought experiments in peace.
    So..

    10. Reliable in highly stressful situations because of their ability to maintain inner calm.
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    I agree with Xander--healthy INTPs, who care enough to make the effort, are enjoyable socially and very good at relationships.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...3-its-lie.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by faith View Post
    I agree with Xander--healthy INTPs, who care enough to make the effort, are enjoyable socially and very good at relationships.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...3-its-lie.html
    Your totally right Faith. I'm sorry I missed that one. No wonder responses were slow if it's a duplicate.

    You know I'm not sure on this deliberate avoidance though or some INTP conspiracy to deny their true nature. My ENFJ mate said recently, in response to me saying that I don't like to be annoyed, "no of course you don't. It's an emotion and you don't like having an emotion". I tried in vain at the time to interject then with a full explanation as to why it seems that way but just isn't so and I think a similar element is present here too.

    The way I see it is that I don't so much rid my self of emotion but I do turn down it's volume so that I can better hear the music of my thoughts, which is what is enticing me to listen in the first place. Sure I have emotion and sometimes I revel in it whilst taking a break from my music. However at the end of the day that IS my song they're playing and it's what I like to hear so back down goes the volume on emotions whilst I put my headphones back on.

    The whole anger thing is more of a classic INTP where I get angry but then feel like I'm making a big display and so shut down the anger before I get stage fright or something.

    You do however bring up on good point, that some INTPs try to deny anything outside of the music. That was a motivator in starting this thread. An INTP who tries to be without emotion is a boring individual unless used as a subject in psychoanalysis. In part it is the fluffy emotional side which bring the INTPs wonderful ideas to life and is also the gleam you see in their eyes when they are truly interested (I'm an eyes person overall).
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Okay so we probably have a lot of INTPs here or those that know one. Basically there's lots of talk about how INTPs find interaction sooo difficult and that we're all a bunch of geeks and should an adolescent male version be approached by a pretty female then we're stumbling for words.

    However that's a ver simplistic and one sided view IMO. There's advantages to being an INTP and it doesn't just stop with being good at geeking.

    So to all those who are INTPs, what do you find is your ace in the whole in conversations? What's good about being an INTP in a relationship?

    For those who know INTPs, what do you think they bring to the table in a conversation or a relationship that's fairly unique to them and useful?

    Basically I don't accept that INTPs are all negatives when it comes to interacting with others but the factors are never really discussed. Also I'm hoping that if people can point out why it's sometimes nice to talk to an INTP that they may drop the silly "I hate people" slogan and go develop their extroverted side a little.
    Substitute said we are boring.
    We have spoiled a couple of his parties.

    He is embarrassed to have INTP friends.
    Poor fellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Substitute said we are boring.
    We have spoiled a couple of his parties.

    He is embarrassed to have INTP friends.
    Poor fellow.

    Life is tough.
    Oh come on... INTPs at parties? We'd either not be there or MAKE the damn thing
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    Is my INTP the only one that really does not like change and does not adjust to it all that easily? Also, Don and I have both noticed that while he is great in a crisis because he can keep it together, it always takes a toll on him later on and if the crisis is an extended one, it really wears on him.

    In comparison, I tend to take change in stride and though I may initially flip out when there is a crisis, soon I'm able to adjust with little ill effects and I can handle longer term crises better than he can.

    I know Ps are supposed to be good with change and Js are not, but we just have not seen things work that way in our relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Oh come on... INTPs at parties? We'd either not be there or MAKE the damn thing
    I do not know about parties.
    Norma Jean did know about them.

    Metro Goldwyn Mayer expected Norma to appear at the parties.
    She did.

    She used to sit at the staircase and wait the party to be over.

    No one spoke to her.
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