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    I can't think of any other way to put it, but I'm talking about people who have one or more letters of their MBTI type in question, or who have a pretty close call on one of them.

    I'm interested to hear from people who are like this, or about them. For me it seems to represent the potential for going either way, where a person is theoretically suddenly made aware of a choice that's quite iminent, quite 'now', as to how they're going to be, how they're going to continue.

    I mean, suppose you get a result of INFJ, with the F being only a very slight preference, only just enough to 'knock it over'. Do you go with F as your guide? Or do you consider the possibility of going with T? Do you have a sudden realisation that you could choose either one for your main mode, or that you have been alternating between the two all your life, with no major preference?

    I say this because I was looking at the welcome thread for the IxFP, who wasn't sure whether she was S or N. My immediate thought was that, a while back, I wasn't sure whether I was E or I, having taken it as read for most of my life that I was an introvert - and nobody who knew me even up to six years ago would've disputed that. My personality gradually became more extraverted, until I found myself scoring a 60% preference for E in a test. Suddenly it opened up a new road to me - it got me thinking - hang on a minute, maybe my social skills and aspirations have changed a lot. Maybe I'm getting better at this. And it forced an alteration of my self-image. That in turn led to even greater extraversion so that now my preference is almost absolute towards E, and I find myself just as frustrated with introverts sometimes as I used to be overwhelmed and intimidated by extraverts.

    I want to know how people who have a preference 'on the cusp' feel about it, or for people who are more sure about their preferences, whether they've ever doubted it or had a period in their life which, looking back, they can doubt whether they've always been the type they are now.

    I'm just interested in that whole thing. Just give me your thoughts - any thoughts. Feed my Ne!
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    I'm an INTJ with a high degree of INFJ.

    When I read the positive attributes of each, I don't feel like either one describes me. As a matter of fact - since I am so self-critical - it was the descriptions of the negative traits that finally helped me decided which type I was.

    I see F as a trait which helps people be diplomatic, but any diplomacy I use has all been learned and is awkward and mechanical for me. I didn't think I had that much F, but since I've come here, I have been very surprised to discover how much I think like the INFJs here.

    I have changed a lot since I was young, but I'm sure I'm still an INTJ. I just work on being nicer than I started out to be. I care more about the impression I make on people than I did when I was a kid. I used to not care what people thought. I would be weird on purpose just to confuse them! I have learned some social skills so I don't embarrass my kids.

    I'm not too cohesive tonight. Sorry.

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    I've always been weak on the T/F scale. I've very rarely tested as T, though. I think it fits with the INFJ having Ti and Fe close to each other in functional order, all but overshadowed by Ni at times. It also fits with my enneagram type, 4w5.

    Incidentally, I've heard 4 called sentimentalist, and 5 called the analyst. I heard a somewhat sensitive 5w4 call themselves a "mildly sentimental analyst," so I decided that I would call myself an "analytical sentimentalist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    I say this because I was looking at the welcome thread for the IxFP, who wasn't sure whether she was S or N. My immediate thought was that, a while back, I wasn't sure whether I was E or I, having taken it as read for most of my life that I was an introvert - and nobody who knew me even up to six years ago would've disputed that. My personality gradually became more extraverted, until I found myself scoring a 60% preference for E in a test. Suddenly it opened up a new road to me - it got me thinking - hang on a minute, maybe my social skills and aspirations have changed a lot. Maybe I'm getting better at this. And it forced an alteration of my self-image. That in turn led to even greater extraversion so that now my preference is almost absolute towards E, and I find myself just as frustrated with introverts sometimes as I used to be overwhelmed and intimidated by extraverts.
    My experience in life has been very much like this. (Although I don't think I was ever overwhelmed by extraverts...just really shy in general.) Actually the first time I took some form of MBTI my result was xNxP. I identify with the descriptions of INTP, ENTP, and ENFP quite a bit, but after analyzing it I thought I was just a bit closer on ENTP than the others. Over the years though, the more I've found out about the three types, the more I realize that I am ENTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Substitute View Post
    Suddenly it opened up a new road to me - it got me thinking - hang on a minute, maybe my social skills and aspirations have changed a lot. Maybe I'm getting better at this. And it forced an alteration of my self-image. That in turn led to even greater extraversion so that now my preference is almost absolute towards E, and I find myself just as frustrated with introverts sometimes as I used to be overwhelmed and intimidated by extraverts.
    One year ago I was beginning to scrutinously take personality tests, and as such results changed from INFJ to INTJ. At present, I would conjecture that as long as extraversion means "energized by the outer world" and/or "focus on people, things" as opposed to "the inner world" or "thoughts, concepts"; and that the cognitive sequence Te-Ni-Se-Fi results in a directive individual who prefers an executive/coordinator role to a specialist role; then I am very likely an ENTJ.

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    I scored close to the Thinker-Feeler divide but have always struggled with assimilating emotional content (both my own and others) into my thinking process.

    I suspect that I may have scored as I did due to vacillating over the meanings of the questions themselves. For example, I recall wondering about a question concerning subjective thoughts: How can one's own thoughts not be subjective to some degree, since one cannot possibly know all and must therefore fall back at least partially on subjective data? I applied a similar line of reasoning to a question about biased thoughts.

    Then again, I am aware of making some decisions based on what is important to me, which could qualify as values-based thinking.
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    If I'm honest about it, I think I'm quite on the cusp of T and F. I can honestly see both sides, and for me, being on the cusp actually gives me more issues, I think, because I feel like it's a constant tug of war - in the sense that I sometimes have no idea how I WANT to respond, because I can see both approaches/viewpoints. So it's almost like I can become...paralyzed?? I think this is where a lot of my thinking goes in circles. So it can truly becoming confusing for me, on more of a self-identity level. Which causes stress. And, I fear it would become perplexing to others that I meet - like I'm somehow inconsistent, or something.

    In college, I hung out almost exclusively with engineers. There were about 8 total of us - a core group - and we pretty much hung out the entire 4 yrs. Some of the 'cool' engineers, hahaha. :-P So I certainly have interacted with a lot of NT's and ST's in my life, and am friends with a few. But since college, I've become friends with mostly NF's, and can relate to them equally well.

    I do think both preferences are necessary in life, and I see value in both; so in that sense I like where I'm at. But the tug of war thing, and being able to identify on some level, but not all levels of each, can leave me feeling extra 'undecided'? I AM a moderate, and I do strive for balance, but at the same time, it feels like a lack of strong commitment one way or another, even though I think a balanced approach is a commitment in itself.......just might not be viewed that way by others (or obviously even by myself sometimes ;-)....

    My value system and how I want to treat others - with respect and kindness - means I ultimately lean towards F, and aspire more towards F, if you will. But I often have an internal 'T' dialogue, which bothers me, because I don't want to view people in a judgemental light. I really want to be open to others, and I do feel that I have that more empathetic, less strictly rational and more...warm? outlook towards others. I value harmony so much, and see no 'logic' in disharmony or total objectivity, so I can't relate to a strong T attitude.

    I actually just got back from coffee with my best friend - a definite INFJ. We're both very into mbti stuff, and personality stuff definitely enters our conversations on a regular basis. I brought up the fact that I still think I'm on the cusp of F and T (I did use that word - funny to come home tonight with a new thread just about that! :-), and she told me she could see both INFJ and INTJ in me.

    So...I'll have to trust that she knows me best - we've been very close for about 3 yrs now. :-)

    Edit: I just took the cognitive functions test, and this is when I'm in a very non-stressed state, and my best fit was INFP. hehe. Bottom line is that my Ni and Fi are of excellent usage, Te is limited, and everything else is average (% differences are non-significant). Ah, I throw my hands up!! ;-)
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    I'm pretty unclear on whether I should label myself as an INXJ or an INFJ (or even an INTJ, for that matter). I've always scored strongly on I,N, and J, but tend to vacillate between the T and the F. I more consistently score with a weak F, but occasionally get INTJ. I don't know whether this is because I work in science, so I'm constantly honing my Thinking skills, or whether I truly have no preference either way. My score definitely depends heavily on what I'm feeling and thinking about at the time.

    I do know, however, that I consistently see the most "me" comments, if you will, when INFJs post, while I see little of myself in the INTJ comments.

    I don't think that really clarified anything for anyone, but those are my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shimsham View Post
    I'm pretty unclear on whether I should label myself as an INXJ or an INFJ (or even an INTJ, for that matter). I've always scored strongly on I,N, and J, but tend to vacillate between the T and the F. I more consistently score with a weak F, but occasionally get INTJ. I don't know whether this is because I work in science, so I'm constantly honing my Thinking skills, or whether I truly have no preference either way. My score definitely depends heavily on what I'm feeling and thinking about at the time.

    I do know, however, that I consistently see the most "me" comments, if you will, when INFJs post, while I see little of myself in the INTJ comments.

    I don't think that really clarified anything for anyone, but those are my two cents.
    I can relate to everything you posted!!! And also see more of 'me' when INFJs post, and can really relate on a deep level with my INFJ friends. Perhaps I should change my 'type' to INfXJ

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    I'm on the I/E thing. As a child I was very withdrawn and didn't particularly enjoy being near other people. That sounds wrong. As I child I was more drained by social interaction than I am today and needed to recharge alone to a much higher degree. I still have frequent times of what I would define as introversion, but not for longer stretches.
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