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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I was attempting to make a really concrete and simple point.

    I understand all of the analysis, because that's how I immediately think about things, but for this thread, try to see it as simple as I do.

    I'm stating my opinion. I was backing it up with examples. And I have talked briefly about how it is bad.

    And no, INTJMom, this isn't because I see things this way. When I said that I think about it too much, I was completely Bullshitting so that people wouldn't think that I wasn't taking any of the blame for myself.

    I think anyone who cannot see where I'm coming from is kind of in the shadows on this one.
    I think you're in the shadows because you somehow don't realize that appropriating some MBTI terms =/= sticking to everything MBTI says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrant View Post
    I bet you're a sensor, go fix a car, I'm busy being creative.
    Could i possibly fix your car? .. Your brakes need looking at
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    you can fix my car, oh, and I need my oil changed while you're at it.
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think you're in the shadows because you somehow don't realize that appropriating some MBTI terms =/= sticking to everything MBTI says.
    You know what? You're right.

    This thread was a joke.

    You have great insight, man.

    Keep going about your business, everyone. You're all set. You're all going to do great.
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    I think calling it MBTI (or sticking to only MBTI tenets) is beside the point. This whole deal of personality typing, whether you call it MBTI, typology, Socionics, or your mother, is being misused and that's what I think the OP was getting at. Not everyone here does, but there are a few that try to force-fit typology into explaining every crevice of human psychology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I think calling it MBTI is beside the point. This whole deal of personality typing, whether you call it MBTI, typology, Socionics, or your mother, is being misused and that's what I think the OP was getting at. Not everyone here does, but there are a few that try to force-fit typology into explaining every crevice of human psychology.
    Simulatedworld wouldn't agree. Therefore, what you said is all BS.

    Though I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I think calling it MBTI (or sticking to only MBTI tenets) is beside the point. This whole deal of personality typing, whether you call it MBTI, typology, Socionics, or your mother, is being misused and that's what I think the OP was getting at. Not everyone here does, but there are a few that try to force-fit typology into explaining every crevice of human psychology.
    Well, I can agree that that's kind of silly, but I also think it's pretty uncommon.

    I also don't really think it's that big a deal. It's just a discussion forum, after all. People come here to bounce around whatever random ideas they happen to be considering; often it's just harmless brainstorming that never really gets applied to real life. Especially with some people, asking, "I wonder if there's a connection here" is virtually automatic, even fleshing out theories as to how there might be a connection--but it's all just hypothetical chatter, and I think more people realize that about their own discussions than you seem to think.

    Typology is just a form of philosophy anyway, and very few people (save for the NTJs who are still trying to "prove" or "disprove" it, meaningless terms in philosophy) seem to expect more out of it than that. Wondering aloud about a potential connection doesn't mean we've put dogmatic faith in it.


    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    You know what? You're right.

    This thread was a joke.

    You have great insight, man.

    Keep going about your business, everyone. You're all set. You're all going to do great.
    hardy har. Seriously though my point was that this is an important distinction because "typology" is conceptually separate from "MBTI." MBTI is one definite and complete closed system that never changes. Typology is a broader term covering a wide variety of different ideas on this topic, many of which disagree with each other and most of which are constantly evolving. It's silly to overapply the former, sure, but the latter is something completely different and obviously has a lot more implications than the former...if typology is capable of changing to accommodate reality (as it does constantly), and as MBTI is not, then why should typology have any theoretical limitations? How could it be overapplied?

    At the end of the day it's just an elaborate categorization system, and its limitations are defined solely by the extent of its external information input. As we gain more information regarding psychology and reality, our elaborate categorization system refines and adapts to reflect it...thus, the implications are literally endless.

    I wasn't trying to needle you; this is really, really significantly different from "overapplying MBTI." They're just extremely different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeLogic View Post
    you can fix my car, oh, and I need my oil changed while you're at it.
    Do i look like a mechanic? .. Sure why not, i'll give it a go .. My rates are rather expensive though.

    Piss me off and i'm playing with your brakes .. Just making it clear to you
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    I have to disagree, Simulatedworld. I think our perceptions differ of how people use and apply Typology/MBTI/whatever you want to call it. That's where the disagreements are.

    For me, I kind of feel like apply it too much to meaningless data and observations. Like the example MaybeLogic used when he was explaining what people are like in Vent. I wouldn't know, though, I've never been on Vent. Ultimately, I feel that this brings people into a routine of labeling and assuming. They give MBTI too much control. Way too much control.

    But from what I've perceived of you, I think you view it a little more theoretical. That's a difference of perception, which isn't exactly wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I have to disagree, Simulatedworld. I think our perceptions differ of how people use and apply Typology/MBTI/whatever you want to call it. That's where the disagreements are.
    Yes that was part of my point. There are a lot of different opinions on how it should work, so saying that it's overapplied is kind of an unfair generalization. I think that most people's typology is a lot more flexible than MBTI allows, and therefore much harder to overapply.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    For me, I kind of feel like apply it too much to meaningless data and observations. Like the example MaybeLogic used when he was explaining what people are like in Vent. I wouldn't know, though, I've never been on Vent. Ultimately, I feel that this brings people into a routine of labeling and assuming. They give MBTI too much control. Way too much control.
    Maybe some people do, but that's really looking at it backwards. We label and intuit, but we certainly do not assume. Here's an example...

    I meet a new person. Let's say, hypothetically for the sake of this example, that he has exactly 10,000 different behavioral patterns. I observe 10 of these that fit into the category "ESTP" in my mind and so I make an initial observation that he seems ESTP. I'm not assuming anything; I'm trying to intuit 9,990 other behavioral patterns that I haven't seen yet because I lack complete information.

    If the next 20 behavioral patterns contradict my initial ESTP impression, I will change that impression to something else. Anticipating that he may exhibit more ESTP behaviors after the first 10 are all consistent with my definition of ESTP is just intuition; we're most certainly not declaring with absolute certainty that he will follow all ESTP behavior. These type reads change and develop constantly as we get more information. It's purely a perception at this point; the more information we gain over time the closer it comes to becoming a definite judgment, but it never actually reaches "definite" status because we're operating purely on philosophy here.

    As you can see, typology doesn't really have "control" of anything here, because its diagnosis is always subject to change based on new information coming in from outside. It would have control only if we assumed ESTP based on the first 10 behavioral sets and then also refused to change our minds later if he showed evidence to the contrary.

    Since most people don't make that elementary mistake, I don't understand how people are giving typology "too much control."

    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    But from what I've perceived of you, I think you view it a little more theoretical. That's a difference of perception, which isn't exactly wrong.
    Yeah that's my point; none of this can possibly be factually right or wrong because it's all just philosophy. Exploring ideas for new ways in which it might have some theoretical implication is really not a bad thing, imo.
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