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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    I find the whole original post (or maybe I should say two posts) very facinating.

    Right now I am pondering the 4th function which is Se for me. I identify with the aspirational part as art seems to be one of my mine focuses right now, even though it is based of my 4th fuction.

    What I can't quite figure out is that reverse gender part of it. What does that mean it practicle terms? Does that mean that my tastes in this area would be masculine? That I would like a more masculine style art? That for exercise or physcial activity I would choose something masculine?

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    quit pondering individual functions, start concentranting on their working altogether. Individual functions just do not exist, how in any POSSIBLE way would a human work without feelings, thinkins, intuition or sensing ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    One thing: the genders of the archetypes aren't always as layed out in this model. My guess is, further in the future, when people don't have much of a gender identity, the genders of the archetypes will be irrellevant. I also hope that will be the case.
    Jung pretty much equated the anima with all male emotion, but none of us has to be that stupid.
    On the other hand, it is still fun to play with the gender-aspects of the model. I bet there's some significant number of, say (arbitrary example) bisexual Te's out there who attracted to Fis of the opposite sex and Ti's of the same sex (or vice versa).
    I disagree on the whole removal of genders. Personally I'm more of the opinion that there will always be what is now referred to as "male" thinking and so on but in time people will learn not to use the term's male and female in regard to such things as they will see that neither is limited perfectly by biology.
    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    quit pondering individual functions, start concentranting on their working altogether. Individual functions just do not exist, how in any POSSIBLE way would a human work without feelings, thinkins, intuition or sensing ?
    Very Ni. Of course the individual functions exist individually, just in context and relation to others. You do not exist as you are now without other things..

    Tree in wood.... timber!!!!

    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    ...Please do finish it Jennifer. I am now like Prince Charles crossed with an elephant.
    Is that an African elephant or an Asian one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I hope too, bud.
    Bud normal, or bud light?
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    Your analysis of the eight is awesome. But it lacks one key point. There is nothing about beer in it. I just cant understand, how someone can dare analyzing a 8 without mentioning beer. That is just disgusting
    Domestic beer, or imported beer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    quit pondering individual functions, start concentrating on their working altogether. Individual functions just do not exist, how in any POSSIBLE way would a human work without feelings, thinkins, intuition or sensing ?
    True. Functions are facets, but a facet does not exist on its own, it exists in relation to the whole. A lot of typing problems occur because people try to isolate functions, then "build the person." The "dissect the patient, then all the parts added together = whole" model I don't think is effective in typing, it's too complex and there's too much that we will NEVER realize about a person. Information and the chain of cause/effect over the myriad of detail is always lacking. We are a chaotic system at core, with small things at one point having large impact (potentially) later in life / development.

    It's more about how a particular combination of functions works together that tells you the strength of each function, whether it is more "natural" or something that's dysfunctional, etc.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    "May Trick with extraverted Sensing (Se):
    They can fool themselves and others with a misguided focus on the perceived realities of a situation. Under stress, they tend to be deceived into taking impulsive action. Yet at times...they may laugh at their own lack of comfort in dealing with the physical."
    We see what we want to see.

    INTPs, when stressed or after having really invested in a particular outlook, are just like everyone else: Seeing only what supports their view and missing other details that could throw things into whack. The fact INTPs are conceptualizers doesn't help either, because when you conceptualize, you're SUPPOSE to junk detail that doesn't seem indicative of the overall pattern.

    In any case, Se usually gets junked as frivolous and unimportant -- existing mostly to confuse us. Ti is timeless in its thinking, Se is immediate and "now" and is mostly credited with just providing an insane amount of data that wants to drown us. If anything, the Ne is preferred -- what the data insinuates, not the data itself. It's not uncommon for INTPs to view Se pursuits as "base" on some level, and perhaps even carnal and distracting.

    "May become destructive with Introverted Feeling (Fi):
    They are usually slow to choose what is important to them. They may...misjudge the relative importance of things. When really stressed, they likely wind up spending money and time on things that are their undoing. Yet on occasion they tap into universal values that in the context of their lives can transform."
    This is the one I can most easily write about, of the two. I might come back later and dump a lot here because I've *had* to think about it.

    Ti is preferred, the "impersonal assess." The rules seem to be derived externally or at least are outside the thinker. INTPs usually share a similar "logical process" and differences usually occur from priming the pump with different information to begin with.

    Fi is the personal assess and the person basically picks the rules coming from an INTERNAL desire / source of satisfaction. Or the information fed into the judging hopper also is chosen on a more personal level.

    This is extremely uncomfortable for an impersonal thinker. There's no way to prioritize the rules. Everything feels "wrong" because the Fi rules are based on inner desires/leanings, not externally justifiable ones. And they conflict horribly sometimes with the impersonal assess.

    Yet some situations (especially later in life, where the person HAS to engage relationally) demand that Fi runs the show, to help create healthy boundaries where Ti would let others run roughshod.

    So either the INTP uses Ti in a situation that allows themselves to be relationally violated, or they try to use Fi and are completely naive in how they do it... and so they go out of whack and/or usually feel completely unsettled anyway by the whole experience.

    All of this is from John Beebe, who I've heard has not written it in books, but only talks about it in lectures. So maybe we need to see if any of his lectures are sold anywhere.
    if we could find some, that would be cool. I remember researching him like mad last summer/fall and could only find a few magazine articles or lecture transcripts, as you have said. it was frustrating.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Will you do this with ENTP?

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    This is excellent.

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    Re reading this thread I have a question oh wisened one.

    What is a "grounded" INTP?

    You mentioned social and grounded in your original post and though I've heard the term many times it seems that no one has ever really expanded upon such a suggestive phrase.

    What I'm wondering is what would you observe as the difference between a well grounded and socialised INTP as opposed to one who is not well grounded or socially adept?

    I'm seeking answers as it relates to personal improvement, a favourite sub section of psychology for me.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Jennifer, this is a really good thread.

    I read it once ago. Now I came back to it since I've come to be witnessing several of the unconscious functions, and the sexes even match.

    This helps me in explaining these things. And in reaching an ever better relaxation and becoming more whole.
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    It seems to be fine, just fine...Except for one major issue, which is the achilles heel of every function order/use description: Behaviors are forced into function categories in which they don't belong. The result being a type description which is scarcely related to the Jungian functions themselves--As it should be, except for the claim of relation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    It seems to be fine, just fine...Except for one major issue, which is the achilles heel of every function order/use description: Behaviors are forced into function categories in which they don't belong. The result being a type description which is scarcely related to the Jungian functions themselves--As it should be, except for the claim of relation.
    Without bothering to reread this thread (and I don't even remember what I wrote at this point -- talk about necro thread), you're suggesting the type descriptions are seemingly good on their own but simply not a a good reflection of true Jungian function theory?
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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