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    Need more opinions to validate my wacky writings!

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    I think I need to disagree with your Se inferior projection...I generally see it in more positive terms which might be the problem. I agree with Athenian200 that the Ne projection is more of what I feel that or the Ti projection of EFJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keps Mnemnosyne View Post
    I think I need to disagree with your Se inferior projection...I generally see it in more positive terms which might be the problem. I agree with Athenian200 that the Ne projection is more of what I feel that or the Ti projection of EFJs.
    To be fair, these quotes attempt to explain why someone would reject their inferior function. According to the theory a healthy and mature type wouldn't be so dismisive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    "I don't have to persue my inferior function, look at what it does to the world..."

    ITP (fe): "...people are so easily manipulated and shallow. I can see how things really work, I couldn't possibly play along. Isn't anyone able to think for themselves?"

    ETJ (fi) "...people are so unwilling to take charge, too afraid of stepping on someone else's toes just to get something done. I get things done, I have the balls to see how life really works."
    ENP (si) "...immobility never lasts, the earth never sits still. If you just sit in one place, how could you possibly go anywhere?"
    ESP (ni) "...trying to repress your own instincts only serves to heighten them. why are people so frightened of what's right in front of their nose?"
    Reactions ... I agree with these four (as in have them in me I guess), but I can't picture myself coming to the conclusion "why are people so frightened of what's right in front of their nose?" Not to say this doesn't make sense, but it seems a step further than the thought really needs to go, in the ESTP sense at least. As in the reflection on a principle seems out of place; just do it. I picture a wide receiver running up the middle of a football field knowing full well he's going to get hit from behind, very very hard, in the air, by a big burly Ray Lewis "I'm going to eat your children!" type and only caring about catching the ball. For the record, I've done that before and its a lot of fun in the moment -- hit me as hard as your want; I'm catching the ball and putting these point on the board, period. For myself, the hard part is getting out of reflecting mode, deciding which moments to engage with; once I'm engaged everything comes easily (because I'm spending my effort doing vs. humming and hawing about what what option to invest in).

    Also, I view your ITP example as a fallacy / self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Your ENP example is hilarious to me: first, because I can't imagine being satisfied with limited options, yet exploring so many options paralyzes me and taints what is selected as it could always be better or more perfect. As in watch The Paradox of Choice on TED.com. When I focus on something, "good enough" is hard to accept; however, other areas I am not (currently) focused on are likely in varying levels of disarray.

    I certainly agree with ETJ, substituting "people" for "I" as I recognize that I worry far too much about those toes for my own good (as in I assume person X will react this way to reading xyz and thus reword my post or caveat with an "I guess", etc., thus ensuring that that possible harm is avoided, and thus spending 45 minutes analyzing and re-wording, trying to develop versus type out, cursory review, send). The good enough problem again ...

    P.S. I wrote this all impulsively, read it over, considered not posting (as in why am I hijacking this thread?), but instead decided to post anyhow in light that maybe you'll find even one nugget amongst this mental diarrhea.

    P.P.S. Based on this rambling, my type?

    P.P.P.S. The fact that I'm only posting this because I want something from you (guess my type) and my apparent need to be the center of attention makes me ENTP doesn't it? Why then am I so good at stopping myself (in a bad way). As in I regularly type of randomness like this and delete it without posting.

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    ENP (si) "...immobility never lasts, the earth never sits still. If you just sit in one place, how could you possibly go anywhere?"

    Your imagination takes you places. It is possible to experience things in vivid detail that you've never experienced before. Take pieces from multiple experiences and extrapolate. Of course, you are left with assumptions.

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    Clearly I have missed the point of your thread but take credence in the fact that your work has proved extremely thought provoking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornslippy View Post
    Clearly I have missed the point of your thread but take credence in the fact that your work has proved extremely thought provoking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    "I don't have to persue my inferior function, look at what it does to the world..."

    INJ (se): "...such a brutal, sensate landscape. why do people settle for animalistic immediacy? I'm not an animal, that's for sure. I'll conceive my own reality, on my own terms."
    I think this is applicable when it comes to a reason for rejecting the inferior function...as you explain in your later post.

    I know I did go through a period when I viewed Se-activities/approaches with more scorn. I thought much of it was pointless, and I scorned the idea of immediate gratification. Perhaps Scorn is how other types would view their inferior's as well?

    But yeah, like Keps, I totally have a positive spin on Se as well, and Se is hugely important in my life these days, in terms of keeping a good balance.

    (an aside, I also relate to the ITP statement, but that makes total sense since I'm extremely introverted and think I lean more heavily on Ti than Fe)
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    ITP (fe): "...people are so easily manipulated and shallow. I can see how things really work, I couldn't possibly play along. Isn't anyone able to think for themselves?"


    I literally say this all the time.

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    "...individuals are so divided and discouraged, for such horrid impersonal reasons. I pay attention to how people feel, and that's more important than anything."


    This is totally something I think/say!

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