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  • ENTJ

    1 2.22%
  • ENTP

    25 55.56%
  • ENFJ

    1 2.22%
  • ENFP

    8 17.78%
  • ESTJ

    0 0%
  • ESTP

    0 0%
  • ESFJ

    0 0%
  • ESFP

    1 2.22%
  • INTJ

    12 26.67%
  • INTP

    21 46.67%
  • INFJ

    7 15.56%
  • INFP

    17 37.78%
  • ISTJ

    0 0%
  • ISTP

    0 0%
  • ISFJ

    0 0%
  • ISFP

    6 13.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Why do people want to be seen as eccentric? Or at least want their type to be seen as eccentric.
    Because eccentricity is also correlated with creativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Because eccentricity is also correlated with creativity.
    You should watch that Guys and Dolls video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I quoted FDG because I agree that Te and Fe are the least eccentric functions. I think Se is the one perceiving function that would be the most consciously eccentric.
    I believe that what we see as eccentric in ESXPs is simply the fruit of their introverted judging function. Se cannot be eccentric since it's simple pure reality. Its filter, that creates conclusions, that create reaction, is what leads to eccentricity in behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Possibly so, even though given that my frame of reference is socionics and yours MBTI, we are using a slightly differing meaning of the functions.
    Typology should be thought of in terms of functions and not letters. If we adapt this epistemic methology, the distinction of socionics and MBTI will disappear.

    Instead of saying INTP, we should say Ti-Ne.

    Socionics calls Ti-Ne INTJ because the dominant function is a judging function. Thus, to socionics, J types are the ones with a primary Judging function. To MBTIc, J types are the ones with the Extroverted Judging function preceding the Introverted Judging function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I believe that what we see as eccentric in ESXPs is simply the fruit of their introverted judging function. .

    Yes, indeed. It would not be fair to be fair to say that whatever eccentricity we see in ENPs is also merely the product of Introverted Judgment, as Intuition is also a factor. Introverted Judgment is more salient because it is with the judging functions transduce our intuitions into the substance that we could incorporate into our identity.

    Si and Se are the most conventional functions because they are the most influenced by their external environment, whilst Te and Fe make external judgments of their own to a greater extent than the sensing functions. Ne and Ni in themselves gravitate more towards eccentricity than Ti and Fi, however, in regards to this matter we should take note of this diagram.

    Ni relies either on Te or Fe to make sense of its own essence. Therefore this ties the INJ to the convention to a significant extent. INPs rely on the external environment to a smaller extent because they can make sense of their visions internally. Extroverted Intuition is less convention oriented than Extroverted Judgment because it is less externally focused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Typology should be thought of in terms of functions and not letters. If we adapt this epistemic methology, the distinction of socionics and MBTI will disappear.

    Instead of saying INTP, we should say Ti-Ne.

    Socionics calls Ti-Ne INTJ because the dominant function is a judging function. Thus, to socionics, J types are the ones with a primary Judging function. To MBTIc, J types are the ones with the Extroverted Judging function preceding the Introverted Judging function.
    Yes, but how can this difference be reconciled easily with real-world observations of INTPs and INTJs? For example, you are a pretty clear socionics INTp, as far as my knowledge of the system goes and as far as the posts from you that I've read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yes, but how can this difference be reconciled easily with real-world observations of INTPs and INTJs? For example, you are a pretty clear socionics INTp, as far as my knowledge of the system goes and as far as the posts from you that I've read.
    Socionics INTp is Ni-Te. That is what we call an INTJ on this forum.

    Ti-Ne and Ni-Te produce personalities that seem very similar in ordinary interactions. To truly see the differences between the two, we need to look more at how they think, rather than how they act. Our temperament is our unconscious tendencies that manifest most distinctly in our thoughts rather than our actions. Our actions are merely external manifestations of our thoughts. Thus, temperament is the essence. Personality is the appearance. Thought and action have the same relationship. So, unfortunately, as for real-life observations, you're out of luck. You need to study their unconscious tendencies to be able to see the difference clearly. For this reason Jung studied philosophy, as there it was easier for him to see how our unconscious tendencies worked. By studying how they think, rather then how they act.

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    If you do such an inquiry, you will see that an Ni-Te is more of a visionary than an analyst. Ti-Ne is more of an analyst than a visionary. Nietzsche is a very typical Ni-Te and Descartes a typical Ti-Ne. That is because one is led by Thinking(Ti) and the Other by Intuition(Ni)
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    You can however, get a glimpse of the unconscious minds of an Ni-Te and Ti-Ne works through real life observations by engaging them in conversation about intricate ideas.

    If you talk to a Ti-Ne, they will likely gravitate towards establishing as close to incontrovertible logical axioms as possible. They will immediately proceed to analyze the claim you have made to ensure it is as devoid of error as possible. An Ni-Te will first explore ideas at as great of a length as possible and only later come to conclusions. (This will seem tricky because the Ni-Te has extroverted Judgment on the outside. They will be saying they found closure, whilst internally they would still be entertaining open-ended ideas (Ni). Whilst the Ti-Ne, externally will be tentative, but internally will have found closure. Ti). Our introverted functions are the strongest. Therefore Ti-Ne is a radical analyst and Ni-Te a radical Intuitionist. As again, we draw back to the Descartes (Ti-Ne), and Nietzsche(Ni-Te) comparison.

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    I am certainly more of an analytical thinker rather than an intuitive one. Personalities like mine are much more common among Ti-Nes rather than Ni-Tes. However, I think I do understand the source of your confusion. Ni-Tes, use Extroverted Thinking when dealing with the external world. INTPs use Extroverted Intuition. So the former seem more forthright and definitive. My Ti is preponderous over my Ne. So it shows on the outside more than it does for other INTPs and therefore I seem like I use Thinking externally like an Ni-Te, but the reality of it is that it is merely the Ti projected onto the outside by Ne.

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    The difference between me and a typical Ni-Te is that I use Thinking to figure out problems internally and then move my solutions onto the outside. An Ni-Te does not do this. Their thinking works on the outside and not the inside. They use their Thinking mostly to organize the external world, and not to solve ivory tower problems.
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    Logically, however, N's have better common sense than S's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladypinkington View Post
    Whoa- this is like an INFJ description all the way!
    This has me nailed at least,lol.

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    Despite all this I am actually a happy go lucky bubbly and laughy individual. I live for comedy,lol.

    Lady Pinkerton, you sound so cool! Maybe it's my bias because you sound like an ENFP and you have a badass wardrobe...



    And ProteanMix -- OMG, wth is up with that video?? I thought it was a mockumentary at first. I have GOT to forward this to my film student friends... And yes, I will move the rest of my film comments to the original creepy doll thread... I can't keep my eyes off the screen! It's like a car wreck!

    Quote Originally Posted by Substitute
    ENFP are just as crazy, except even more people love them.
    Awww, shucks. And here I thought you didn't care.

    Hahaha, seriously though I had no idea that ENXP and specifically ENFP were considered 'most likely to be eccentric' or flat out an eccentric type? That's illuminating for me and I'll have to process this vis-a-vis my own personal assessment of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    In your personal opinion, which type(s) do you think would be viewed as the most eccentric? Being specific, which type to you think would be most likely to have unusual (perhaps bordering on even heretical) opinions and views, a lack of concern or complete disregard of social norms and their appearance, cultivate odd and obscure interests and hobbies, have a very individualistic bent, and to display an array of uncommon habits, obsessions, fixations, phobias etc.?
    INTP

    The ENTP appear more eccentric. On account of transparency of the measure.

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