User Tag List

12 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 17

  1. #1
    Senior Member Two Point Two's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    200

    Default First and last letters - an idea

    This occurred to me today:

    EJs can be described as seeking to maximise the impact of the self on the environment.

    EPs can be described as seeking to maximise the impact of the environment on the self.

    IJs can be described as seeking to minimise the impact of the environment on the self.

    IPs can be described as seeking to minimise the impact of the self on the environment.

    What do people think?

    My first thought was that it doesn't seem to work as well for IPs as for the others. While they might (sometimes) be described as detached non-interfering observers, is this really something that they consciously seek to bring about? And is it equally true for all IPs?

    Also, it should be noted that it's all quite general. IJs don't want to eliminate the impact of the environment on the self; they simply want to control it, minimise unpleasant impact, and always have the opportunity to decide which impacts to allow and which to exclude. Similarly, EPs want to maximise certain kinds of impact from the environment, but this obviously doesn't translate into a desire to be dictated to, or for unpleasant experiences. And EJs are only interested in impacting their environments in certain ways - improving them, for instance.

    Thoughts?

  2. #2
    Intriguing.... Quinlan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    MBTI
    ISFP
    Enneagram
    9w1
    Socionics
    Booo
    Posts
    3,005

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    This occurred to me today:

    EJs can be described as seeking to maximise the impact of the self on the environment.

    EPs can be described as seeking to maximise the impact of the environment on the self.

    IJs can be described as seeking to minimise the impact of the environment on the self.

    IPs can be described as seeking to minimise the impact of the self on the environment.

    What do people think?

    My first thought was that it doesn't seem to work as well for IPs as for the others. While they might (sometimes) be described as detached non-interfering observers, is this really something that they consciously seek to bring about? And is it equally true for all IPs?

    Also, it should be noted that it's all quite general. IJs don't want to eliminate the impact of the environment on the self; they simply want to control it, minimise unpleasant impact, and always have the opportunity to decide which impacts to allow and which to exclude. Similarly, EPs want to maximise certain kinds of impact from the environment, but this obviously doesn't translate into a desire to be dictated to, or for unpleasant experiences. And EJs are only interested in impacting their environments in certain ways - improving them, for instance.

    Thoughts?
    Interesting, I often feel that interacting with the environment is like walking on egg shells, I see the EJ types imposing themselves on others and things and thinking how/why could they do those things?
    Act your age not your enneagram number.

    Quinlan's Creations

  3. #3
    Listening Oaky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    SLI None
    Posts
    6,168

    Default

    I like what you did there. It makes a lot of sense. I truly do minimize the impact of the environment on myself.

  4. #4
    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    548 sp/sx
    Socionics
    INTj
    Posts
    3,438

    Default

    These are the "Sociability Temperament" grouping (one of the forgotten "other combinations" of type letters). These are also the letters that develop first before a definite dominant function is chosen, according to PersonalityPage.
    Haven't seen much analysis done of them, though.

    So this sounds like it makes sense, though I have to think about IP's wanting to minimize the impact of self on the environment. Since this group encompasses three of the "Behind the Scenes" types, it would seem to match them not wanting to stir the pot too much, though I think that they would like to see the conclusions of their introverted judgment recognized by others.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

    Temperament (APS) from scratch -- MBTI Type from scratch
    Type Ideas

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    STP
    Posts
    10,501

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    My first thought was that it doesn't seem to work as well for IPs as for the others. While they might (sometimes) be described as detached non-interfering observers, is this really something that they consciously seek to bring about? And is it equally true for all IPs?
    Its not that we dont interfere, we just figure out how to do it smoothly with the least amount of interuptions. We get under it all to make our changes.

  6. #6
    pathwise dependent FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    5,908

    Default

    I'm not sure...EPs seem to like having an impact on the environment, too, sometimes much more than me (esp. the Se dominant EPs).
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

  7. #7
    Senior Member AutumnReverie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    ISTJ
    Enneagram
    6w5
    Posts
    327

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    IJs can be described as seeking to minimise the impact of the environment on the self.

    IJs don't want to eliminate the impact of the environment on the self; they simply want to control it, minimise unpleasant impact, and always have the opportunity to decide which impacts to allow and which to exclude.

    Thoughts?
    Hmm, I like this. I think it applies well, to me anyways.
    After all,
    you're my wonderwall...

    {listen: }

  8. #8
    Glowy Goopy Goodness The_Liquid_Laser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    3,377

    Default

    I think you are essentially correct because extraversion is inherently optimistic, while introversion is inherently pessimistic. Extraversion actively seeks positive experiences, while introversion actively avoids negative experiences. Then the P/J aspect describes how a person interacts with their environment. So an EJ expects they will be able to make positive things happen, while an EP searches out positive things to happen to them. An IJ expects that they can prevent negative things from happening, while an IP identifies negative things and avoids them.
    My wife and I made a game to teach kids about nutrition. Please try our game and vote for us to win. (Voting period: July 14 - August 14)
    http://www.revoltingvegetables.com

  9. #9
    Senior Member NewEra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    I
    Posts
    3,104

    Default

    I could see this, I don't require a lot of impact from the environment. But at the same time, I don't always feel I have to minimize this impact.

  10. #10
    4x9 cascadeco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Enneagram
    4 so/sp
    Posts
    6,931

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I think you are essentially correct because extraversion is inherently optimistic, while introversion is inherently pessimistic. Extraversion actively seeks positive experiences, while introversion actively avoids negative experiences. Then the P/J aspect describes how a person interacts with their environment. So an EJ expects they will be able to make positive things happen, while an EP searches out positive things to happen to them. An IJ expects that they can prevent negative things from happening, while an IP identifies negative things and avoids them.
    I think this is a good summation, and I identify strongly with your IJ description. To the OP - I think it's a decent generalization! Which can be hard to do with mbti. ha.
    "...On and on and on and on he strode, far out over the sands, singing wildly to the sea, crying to greet the advent of the life that had cried to him." - James Joyce

    My Photography and Watercolor Fine Art Prints!!! Cascade Colors Fine Art Prints
    https://docs.google.com/uc?export=do...Gd5N3NZZE52QjQ

Similar Threads

  1. [MBTItm] Why do some type forums have the two middle letters but this one has second and last?
    By mooseantlers in forum The SP Arthouse (ESFP, ISFP, ESTP, ISTP)
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 04-07-2012, 03:02 PM
  2. I'm new here, and I'm an ISTP. Dag everyone. Kamusta.
    By zark in forum Welcomes and Introductions
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 11-16-2008, 09:29 AM
  3. Hello, My name is Yazoo and I am an...
    By Yazoo in forum Welcomes and Introductions
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-04-2008, 06:19 PM
  4. Hi. I have no name and I'm an ISFP. I don't know what else to say lol
    By Ihavenoname in forum Welcomes and Introductions
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-26-2008, 10:58 PM
  5. Why (sic) and What is an 'Asian'?
    By Samuel De Mazarin in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 72
    Last Post: 08-02-2008, 12:34 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO