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    Quote Originally Posted by Grublet View Post
    I revised my stuff to better suit your interpretation of Socionics.



    ENFP is now first in the third type set like it would be in your interpretation. I find it interesting that the occurrence of the types follow a staggered order between the primary and shadow type sets.
    So you've bolded the Ne-Si types, but otherwise, it's the same as the earlier one.
    You say my interpretation of Socionics? (Or were you addressing me?)
    I should admit I'm still not sure what exactly this is representing (I know it's accurate and a nice looking organization as I said, but what exactly is the point? Sorry, but a lot is on my mind these days, so it's taking me time to figure what this is about).

    I guess you're starting with your own type and ranking the other types in order of functional commonalities? So you have fellow extraverts on the left, and their introverted counterparts on the right. And then moving down, iNtuition moves from dominant to inferior, but since you have the extraverts on one side, that's why ENTJ (Which is really entirely in the ENTP's shadow) is next. Really, in order of function commonality, it would be ENTP, INTP, ESFJ, ISFJ, but you have the columns grouped by E/I, so the type differing only by J/P is then the next closest after it.
    Then it starts over again with dominant N, but now with T/F reversed, so ENFP, etc.

    I'm curious on what exactly I've said that this is based on? In the OP, I grouped the by quadras, (so again, the NTP's and SFJ's would all be in the same group. I guess that's what you did with the bolding?)

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Why is there a 1st - 4th on both sides of the scale ? And why doesnt it tell me whether a function is intro- or extroverted ? And whats so special about writing function order together with shadow function order ?

    You need to work on that kid, I want a full report tomorrow morning !
    It does tell you the orientation of the function. Look at the EIEI and IEIE on the top. That's telling you the attitudes; you just match that order with the function order in the corresponding box for one of the types:

    i.e.
    ENTP:

    E IEI
    NTFS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    It does tell you the orientation of the function. Look at the EIEI and IEIE on the top. That's telling you the attitudes; you just match that order with the function order in the corresponding box for one of the types:

    i.e.
    ENTP:

    E IEI
    NTFS
    Fascinating....


    What would be really cool would be if you could manage to unite socionics and mbti functions in a working model !
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    Eric I've made it more clear here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Fascinating....

    What would be really cool would be if you could manage to unite socionics and mbti functions in a working model !
    It gets confusing when they start trying to harmonize the mismatched I type functions (INTP=TiNe/INTp=NiTe; Ni=Ne, Ti=Te), so I don't know how to unite those.
    I figure Socionics never should have adopted MBTI notation, then, because MBTI's goal is outward interaction (team building, etc), and that's why J/P was made to refer to the extraverted rather than dominant function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grublet View Post
    Eric I've made it more clear here.

    OK.
    One point though, the most different type (16th place) in many ways would be the ESFP, because that's the one where all eight functions are in reverse order (SeFiTeNiSiFeTiNe vs NeTiFeSiNiTeFiSe).
    Though that's just an archetypal order, and not strengths, and all; and given that Se and Fi are the ENTP's "right brain alternatives", then you may have a point that ESFP has a bit more in common practically, than INTJ (Ni and Te are just the Double Agents, and may be lower down in a more practical order).
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