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    Revelation Lauren Ashley's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasticus View Post
    No I really do. The way they come into work and the first thing they do is sharpen their pencils and line them up according to length. . . all that stuff.

    And their head-shaking bewilderment and disapproval of my disorderly lifestyle is also amusing.
    Yeah, such behavior can not be attributed to eight, very different types. I don't do any of what you've mentioned, but I'm pretty positive I'm a J. I think going off of how messy or disorganized someone is, is not the best way to gauge P vs. J. Slightly helpful, but not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I think she means that you're narrowing the definition of J. NJs are idea and people structure-oriented, not "thing" structure-oriented like SJs.
    Precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasticus View Post
    Huh. My list-making INFJ gf must be an outlier then.
    Probably lower on Ni, higher on Fe. Essentially, closer to ISFJ. I've noticed more organized INFJs, but they are of that type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    P's on the other hand are reacting to the moment by moment flow of the world around them and changing what they do to accommodate it. The flow is cyclical and continual: inside -> outside -> inside -> outside. Information flows in and out of them simultaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I think she means that you're narrowing the definition of J. NJs are idea and people structure-oriented, not "thing" structure-oriented like SJs.
    True. NJs judge abstract things. They often could care less about objects or the environment looking neat. SJs care about that. I type INFJ and lots of SJs I know, in particular ESTJ, ISTJ and ESFJ, can really get on my nerves about this.

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    Look at the Jays saying how un-Jay they are!
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Look at the Jays saying how un-Jay they are!
    I'm definitely a J. But not really outwardly organized in terms of making schedules, keeping things in an arranged order, etc. I can be organized just like everyone else, but it's not a priority; I have far more important grand schemes I'm working on in my head. J for me is about desiring closure and having things settled. Not about having my closet organized by color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLessard View Post
    NJs judge abstract things. They often could care less about objects or the environment looking neat.
    That's certainly true of me.
    My desk and room look like a bomb went off.
    I have more important things to think about, than a clean room.

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    That's exactly how my living room was recently described. "Looks like a bomb went off" I make lists, and then I lose them. Then I wonder why I bothered with the list in the first place. But it all gets done in the end, that you can be sure of.

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    A lot of SJs at my job offices and cubes look like target practice at a Xerox factory. But I'm sure they're very mentally organized, as The Other Jays are.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAA, great thread title!

    And, yes, I do.

    It's reliable for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I make lists, and then I lose them. Then I wonder why I bothered with the list in the first place.
    I get inside the grocery store and start cussing.
    I left my list at home, or in the car.

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