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    Though it might be obvious to you, Jaguar, I didn't immediately assume that everyone reading this thread was aware of the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    In general, do you see learning the tools get by an environment as a form of ingenuity? Even if your inner self perceives a value in it?

    Language? Mathematics? Science? Religion?

    Many of these subjects have been created by other people to ease the individual and collective burdens in society. And could someone adapt without loosing themselves? How does one straddle the line between flexibility and 'integrity'?

    Is this truly a loss of self or a expansion of the self?

    The light of the dawning flower escaped the method of litmus expansion into the social endeavors of tampon seasoning.
    Shall we skate into the road of the cerebellum or take some oil and place it on the universal trampoline?

    tsop tnerehocni na etorw ouy ehteL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The light of the dawning flower escaped the method of litmus expansion into the social endeavors of tampon seasoning.
    Shall we skate into the road of the cerebellum or take some oil and place it on the universal trampoline?

    .tsop tnerehocni na etorw ouy ehteL
    Both.

    However, there's currently nothing I could do to travel further in your journey. It is your choice to decide how you desire to handle this information. I only offered some questions that may be worth considering whenever this curiosity arises.

    To travel onward, I need more information -- I maintain too broad of a scope to lay them all out without a direction. (I'll write a post on that later.) This is why I work well in a structure: I permit numerous internal variables. I never limit myself to one, I merely choose the best that is suited for the goal.
    "I cannot expect even my own art to provide all of the answers -- only to hope it keeps asking the right questions." -- Grace Hartigan

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    Looking into the eyes of a [Ni user] is like peeking through a portal into a parallel universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Where would you get such a ridiculous idea?
    Sim, the only people I can see doing the crazy shit you are suggesting,
    are insecure ENTPs themselves, pretending to be ENTJs.
    I have no choice but to chalk this up to terrible, terrible Ne. You'd have to be absolutely blind not to notice this. Fail!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    If I handed you a brown paper bag filled with candy,
    and the first couple pieces you pulled out were purple,
    you'd probably claim ALL THE CANDY, was purple.
    And if you were blind you'd insist that no one can see.

    Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

    Yet more evidence of zero Ne.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Well, I see I struck a nerve of insecurity within you.
    Ever been asked the question:
    "If you could be anyone, who would you be?"

    Unlike many who named other people, I always answered: "Me."
    Not because I'm so great, or any other type of nonsense.
    I always answer, "me" since I am that comfortable in my own skin.
    It's that simple.
    If you cannot grasp any of that, you have a problem with your own self-esteem.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed, am I right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You have no proof any of the people you speak of are actually ENTJ, or any type for that matter.
    The claims you make about type are based on nothing but assumptions.
    You are not what I call a truth-seeker.
    You're the opposite.
    Slap a homogenous label on it, regardless of truth or accuracy, and you're a happy camper.
    Nor do I find it necessary to prove to you that my ENTJ friends are ENTJs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    If you want to bring up that imbecilic claim again, do it in the Jay-Z thread.
    Not here.
    It's obviously related...not that I'd expect someone with virtually nonexistent Ne to recognize any abstract relationships between concepts that exist outside his own head.

    Myopic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I can see I'm going to have to start a thread on personas.
    Jung: "TYPE CANNOT BE OBSERVED."

    Yet we have some forumites who persist in typing people's PERSONAS.
    You are no exception.

    The persona is a mask created to hide the true self.
    The persona is not type.
    The persona is what you see when you meet someone.
    The persona is what you see in a video.

    What you see in a video is not the true self.
    What you see in a video is not type.
    Type cannot be observed.
    No, but evidence of type can be observed enough to make a reasonably intuitive guess.

    Jay-Z's public persona is closer to ESTP, but in actuality you can tell from studying his work and life history that he's ENTJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Do I think this will stop the incompetent bullshit? No.
    Jungian psychology is ignored on a daily basis in this forum.
    People observe and "type" personas.
    They fail to type the true self.
    I'm afraid the incompetence is yours for having such poor Ne.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Case in point:
    Someone came in this forum bitching about an "obvious" ESTJ taking the MBTI, and scoring INFP.
    I began laughing.
    I wasn't laughing at the result.
    I was laughing at the irony of the person's ignorance.
    We've been over this; the tests are garbage.

    I find it rather inconsistent that you insist "TYPE CANNOT BE OBSERVED!!" and yet also parrot mindlessly the ridiculous idea that any of this can be tested or quantified. It can't, and nobody cares what your test scores say about anything because that's utterly irrelevant to this field. Next.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    And if someone can't understand how an INFP could have an ESTJ persona,
    again, this is an example of Jungian psychology being ignored on a daily basis.
    Right, but personas are easy to debunk once you talk to a person for a while and get a feel for his overall life philosophy.

    It just requires recognition of abstract externalized patterns, which, again, you're terrible at. Stick to schedule-mongering and screaming at people; that's what ENTJs do best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    A friend of mine was a City Housing Commissioner.
    Easily an ESTJ persona.
    Never in a million years would anyone guess he scored INFP.

    It's time for people to wake up to reality.
    Many months ago someone commented how the people she met,
    seemed opposite in nature to the "type" they were "supposed to be."

    Must I keep repeating Jung?
    Type cannot be observed.
    Nor can gravity, champ!

    That doesn't make the study of gravity and its effects useless, nor does it mean we can't infer from observing its effects that it's there.

    Once again this just requires Ne. But I'm sure since you can't see the sun that the rest of us can, it doesn't exist. Brilliant.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    ^ Utter waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    ^ Utter waste of time.
    Why bother making a statement if you're not willing to justify it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engler View Post
    Why bother making a statement if you're not willing to justify it?

    FAIL is used by those who cannot write a coherent post.
    When someone begins their post with that nonsense,
    it's an utter waste of my time to even deal with them.

    Period.

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    ^ Because he has no argument other than "My eyes don't work so I'm certain that nobody else's do."

    lol

    P.S.,

    You're posting on an internet forum, if you hadn't noticed. Isn't that kind of inherently a waste of time?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    FAIL is used by those who cannot write a coherent post.
    When someone begins their post with that nonsense,
    it's an utter waste of my time to even deal with them.

    Period.
    I guess I'm not surprised that you didn't notice the other ~250 or so words in my post. Is the concept of failure that threatening to you?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    As a newbie I find Egler's first post very interesting, as his words more accurate describe the thoughts that until now only have been gliding shadows in the back of my consciousness because of lack of knowledge.

    I think it's essentially necessary to ask questions about every kind of knowledge that someone's trying to place inside a square. Only this way we are able to shake off the possibility that a thing is true just because enough people say it's true. "Look! The Emperor has no clothes!"

    It may be objectively true that there is something correct about this MBTI-theory. But the opposite might also be true. That's why I read this thread with great interest, because the energy that a lot of you put in your expressing your opinions makes them appear with another taste in my head. (They're probably pushing some Ni- and Te-buttons that I need to use more.) So thank you all for speeding up all my different processes.


    But I must add a nave question:

    How come this introversion/extraversion-thing is related to "where we get our energies from"? Aren't we all part of a whole? Would any of us be here if it wasn't for other people? How would the world look like if we were all introverts?

    *hiding under my desk, curiously waiting for some opinions*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    FAIL is used by those who cannot write a coherent post.
    When someone begins their post with that nonsense,
    it's an utter waste of my time to even deal with them.

    Period.
    Do you think your posts are coherent to other people? Are your inner thoughts that easily perceived and understood by the external world?

    Examples:

    Quote Originally Posted by Engler
    Why bother making a statement if you're not willing to justify it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    That's not what I was suggesting.
    If I didn't hire the right people, I'm the one who would suffer.
    I got a percentage of the profit made on every person I hired.
    If I didn't make the right choice, I wouldn't make money.
    It's that simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar
    Quote Originally Posted by greed
    Don't get me wrong--I know that's not what you're suggesting. You don't exactly strike me as the kind of guy who's irresponsible or impractical.

    But the standard picture of someone who "does whatever they want" also tends to be someone without a strong hold on reality or responsibility. I just want our audience to know that it is usually, in fact, exactly the opposite that is true--such freedom is intertwined with responsibility, and "the real world" typically comes only when one takes the reigns.
    You still don't get it.
    Never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
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