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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Your audience just wants you to know
    If you think that's bad,
    think about the person suggesting you and I- and the millions of other self-employed people-
    are "out of touch with reality," for merely having the freedom to "do what we want."

    What the hell do people think business owners do?
    Answer to God, or some unseen force of nature?
    No, we answer to ourselves.
    And the IRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    Indeed. For all we know, the situation in the OP could have been that we're on a magical base on the moon, where if word gets out that a person does not trust their intuition, they get ejected into space.

    However one decides to call the shots in whatever environment he's in--be it through hunches or through rigorous research--he must also take responsibility for his actions.
    Definitely.

    What if we made an experiment using these same questions and provided several environmental conditions -- mixing the terms around so there will be no clear cut decision. This test will sketch out the rough boundaries (and strength) of the subject's priorities by observing how they would react under different systems. The choices they make additionally unveils the type of consequences they are prepared to endure, including the ones they least favor. The accumulation of an individual's experiences, knowledge and characteristics comes into play at one sitting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    If you think that's bad,
    think about the person suggesting you and I- and the millions of other self-employed people-
    are "out of touch with reality," for merely having the freedom to "do what we want."
    Being out of touch with reality and personal freedom are not necessarily correlated. They are two separate variables that can intensify the other, but they are largely independent. For example, a schizophrenic cannot help themselves from perceiving 'unrealistic' sensations and may have no desire to indulge in self-expression. Yet someone else (ex: revolutionaries) fighting for this freedom can be very well what many deem as 'realistic'. What a person or group defines as reality or freedom aligns within their interpretation of a given system (family, society, world, etc.)

    It sounds as if this one idea is imprisoning you more heavily than the millions of other ideas. Perhaps this expresses a core value: to be known and respected for both realism and independence by the outsider.

    Do note this is an isolated observation from a few posts and nothing more. Anything can be disproved by new information and the right context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    It's like a dance always, your feelings and intuition tell you things that you must seemingly justify to others in order to execute them. It's a great skill to develop and possess though. Potentially tapping the best of both worlds. Still frustrating sometimes though to have to do this in the first place.
    You've described it quite perfectly. Naturally, these situations can test our patience when we least like to be, and it is our responsibility to decide how much effort we are willing to input for the ideal output. Many people exhaust their reserves by viewing these obstacles as a form of oppression. If I took this route, I would have burnt out earlier than I did in my society.

    Instead, I take the justifications as a challenge: how many ways can I translate my emotions, thoughts and intuitions? Everywhere I go, I always feel like the perpetual stranger in a foreign country. (And I am comfortable as one - I seldom experience what it is like to be amongst one's familiars.) To travel somewhere and set things your way, you have to speak the language of the locals and learn about their culture.

    Or I would end up with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200
    I think it sounds like you have an awfully defeatist, negative, and limited attitude towards life. You blithely throw away everything that doesn't seem immediately relevant to real life or your goals, and exalt personal experience to ridiculous heights. You seem to create too many boundaries and stifle contemplation for the sake of pure practicality and pragmatism.

    TJs really are missing out on so much in life. Ah, well. Too bad. Hopefully you figure out how to balance your Te/Fi axis eventually... it seems like the pendulum is swinging the opposite way now.
    (Side note: As expected. People call me all the above and much more, but defeatist is a new adjective. I find "stubbornly unyielding" or anything of the like better fitting.)

    Clearly my perception has no significance in someone else's world, and it is why reformatting (or reframing) my approach becomes ever more crucial. I understand that my logic and vision appeals only to myself, especially since my perceiving function is Ni. Intuition is inherently subjective for we manipulate the incoming data, and the introversion adds another personal touch. If I want to reach someone who prefers a greater objective interpretation (i.e - Se/Si), speaking in my jibberish language will not deliver the best results. Sure, I can show them my untouched thoughts. Yet would it mean anything to them? Would they comprehend it in a way that I'd like them to?

    Probably no. At least not immediately.

    The writings I posted in this thread was purely aimed for efficiency to amplify the other factors such as product quality and (employee) talents. So let's say I was working on a team with people from diverse areas of interest: diplomacy, innovation, interpersonal connections, group dominance, etc. To direct this situation, I would need to estimate each individual's motivations, limits, skill level and dedication. But this is typically not perceptible, and it is precisely here where I could maximize the my intuitive abilities. How? Reading the meaning behind their words. Then translate my ideas into another language, and distribute them in a timely fashion. I can get my cake too if I manage to strike the right moment with a mutually favorable deal.

    And what if I must do this quickly? I have places to go, responsibilities to uphold, and ideas to muse over.

    This requires me to think steps ahead of the person -- I'd imagine the possible scenarios and create various solutions. By the time they've finished their introduction, I've already finished my conclusion. I would fast-foward the process with the ideal selections I've conjured in my mind. Now I'm going to pretend Athenian's one of the team members. The moment she says, "stifle contemplation", I should instantly know which direction she is arriving from: she's assuming there is no room for her inspirations and deducts that pragmatism has consumed my entire personality. A sense of melancholic frustration could be spotted in her tone. From what? Asking the right questions does open the doors to an understanding. I also need to clarify I never left out creativity or contemplation, it was simply not explicitly expressed and defined.

    These are the daily dealings I undertake, and instead of hammering people with a "You. Must. Understand. Me!" indignation, I discover it's much easier to be the first person to risk venturing outside their comfort zones to offer a helping hand. Again, once a person's concerns are sedated, the tastiest meat remains. You should now have sturdy materials to work with, and as a castle builder, I'd personally start right on that.

    When you travel to a new region, in essence, you are shedding a part of yourself (mostly deadweight) to incorporate the new ideals. Sometimes it does frustrate me as you've stated earlier. Or it even deeply angers me. Other times, I have no idea how the natives' language(s) operate(s) and I lack the techniques or skills to explain myself in a non-offensive manner. I'm standing there perplexed, alone, lost... again..., comforted merely by my intuition to sense the way out. Ah, intuition. The function that makes something out of nothing.

    In the end, I'd like to believe I care significantly more about progressing as an individual through these challenging experiences to stop at the sensation of pain.

    So I'm ready to take the first move.

    Just give the signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
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    Bad news in what way?

    I'd go with my instinct, but I'd try to figure out why first if there's time to do so.

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    if i trusted ni i'm sure i really would look very very insane to others. thus, i don't allow myself to put a lot of trust into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    No, we answer to ourselves.
    And the IRS.
    But you don't only answer to yourself. Even if you are self-employed. Any of the people you have ever hired or interviewed to hire could file a lawsuit against you for your hiring practices. It's why you should keep your paperwork around.

    I am not trying to be problematic here. I really do understand you only wanted to explore your hypothetical question - I simply found it fascinating that no one had explored the real-world application of it in thread when I replied.

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    ^ Why do you seem so hostile in reply?

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    The police are coming to arrest everyone in this thread for using Introverted Intuition.


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    I send you a bunch of to make it all better ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The police are coming to arrest everyone in this thread for using Introverted Intuition.
    If you're using Ni in a clandestine method or the designated areas, then the police won't notice.

    Personally, I'm not the one to wave the 'Arrest Me' flag conspicuously.

    Or a wear 'Rob Me' sign:


    Gee, ever wonder why pyramids attracted tomb robbers in flocks?

    People can have their lavish burials, but need they tell everyone where it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    Looking into the eyes of a [Ni user] is like peeking through a portal into a parallel universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozz View Post
    My Ni (and Ne), according to the CognitiveProcesses.com test is also very low. Yes, I would do the same thing. If it turned out wrong, I'll be able to justify it so I won't feel too bad (and I'll have my backside covered).

    How do you take taht test? Do you have to pay?

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