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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    1% of the public? 2% maybe?
    More than you think. I actually overheard a couple of people at the train station talking about it randomly. I was surprised, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Making predictions with MBTI is indeed bullshit. Using MBTI as a descriptive tool, and then making predictions based on the traits you've narrowed in on (and hopefully others) isn't necessarily bullshit.

    For example, if you meet person X and know a bit about MBTI, it may help you think about person X to use the MBTI framework. You might be quicker to notice something like, "oh, person X seems to place great importance on concepts like 'right' and 'wrong'". Since you've realized that, you may be able to make inferences about their future actions more quickly than you would without MBTI.

    Same goes for astrology, I guess.

    But most people seem to make all sorts of wacky inferences with MBTI (just look at all the threads on this site!), and in that sense, it may do more overall harm than good. But it's all a matter of how you apply it.
    Yes, and in my arrogance, I must admit, I don't trust most of the people here to apply it wisely.

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    It's not bullshit, but it sure doesn't cover every part of someone's personality...

    This is like comparing something being blazing hot to freezing cold. It's two extremes, and neither really describe what it is.

    But it's definitely not science.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

    sCueI (primary Inquisition)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Yes, and in my arrogance, I must admit, I don't trust most of the people here to apply it wisely.
    I hear ya.

    Me neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbw View Post
    Is the MBTI science, or is it bullshit?
    In asking this question, you assume that...

    1. It must be at least one of the two.
    2. It cannot be both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    MBTI is not science...

    Cognitive functions are just like Freudian theories... not science because it cannot be falsified.

    Think of MBTI as quick categorical labels defined arbitrary by people.
    Like colors of a rainbow... Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, purple do not exist.
    i don't agree with what you said above. mbti can be falsified just like any theory. i was thinking about what someone said about cognitive functions, where they couldn't understand why the order of preference didn't indicate the type determined by prevailing theory.

    well, what if the theory is actually wrong? maybe there isn't a pattern of cognitive functions 8 deep that determines type? beebe and all those other theorists aren't right in their thinking!

    not to harp on you in particular here. i don't even know your screen name and i'm going off a post that hit me in a shallow (drunken) way which brought along my train of thought.

    cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbw View Post
    Is the MBTI science, or is it bullshit? (I'm already pretty sure that the enneagram is bullshit.)
    Parts of the things described in the MBTI have been proven in the field of science, like:

    tendency towards extroversion and introversion
    tendecy towards seeing the big picture or tendency to focus on details

    also intuition has been searched a lot and I would assume some people have stronger tendency to use it than other

    I would connect J an P to the need to have a closure or to control the outcome (?) and probably those traits have been aslo searched.

    For the jungian functions, I don't know if any of them are really "proven" which doesn't mean that they couldn't be.

    And for the type, I don't know if it really is as described. But it is true, I think, that there are certain types of behavior among people and thinking patterns and raction patterns and some people are alike in some parts of their traits. But at the end, all people are unique.

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    ....what would penn jillette say.....
    Actually I dont know about science but I dont think its bullshit either.

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    MBTI and science? F'sure?

    Is science science? Not usually. Too much "cause I said so".
    Is MBTI science? Not when used correctly no. Basically because it doesn't claim certainty. Only idiots and scientists claim that.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughingebony View Post
    In asking this question, you assume that...

    1. It must be at least one of the two.
    2. It cannot be both.
    I was asserting (1) with tongue in cheek. (2) is correct.

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