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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    They're both very banter-y.

    Ne humor is based on connecting unlikely ideas/people/things in the outer world into funny combinations/wording things in ways that, through subtext, could be interpreted in numerous different ways. Ne humor is generally implied rather than blunt, but the pieces are always there for you to put together and the speaker almost always wants the listener to be able to connect the dots and discover the humor--after all, it's based on patterns that exist out there in the external world, and would continue to exist whether or not we were here to observe them.

    Example, George Carlin: "I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, 'Where's the self-help section?' She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose."


    Ni, on the other hand, doesn't always particularly care if anyone else understands the humor, because it's based on rearranging internal definitions of perspective and breaking down the assumptions inherent in the way one looks at things. Ni humor is more subtle and rarely displays the outwardly absurd/over the top nature of Ne humor.

    Remember that Ni believes everything is totally a function of perception, so if something's funny to me it might not necessarily be funny to you, and so Ni will sometimes make quiet deadpan jokes that are extraordinarily funny to the speaker, but that there isn't enough even information for a listener to even put it together--but that's not the point, since it's all in the way you look at it anyway.

    A lot of Ni humor is based on poking subtle fun at people who place too much stock in their own arbitrary views of reality.

    Example, Bill Hicks: "My boss always used to say, 'Hicks, how come you're not working?'

    And I'd say, 'Cause there's nothing to do.'

    And he'd say, 'Well, you pretend like you're working!'

    'Well, why don't you pretend I'm working? Yeah, you get paid more than me, you fantasize! Pretend I'm mopping. Knock yourself out. I'll pretend they're buying stuff; we can close up! I'm the boss; now YOU'RE fired! How's that for imagination?'"


    Now clearly, being a standup comedian, Hicks wanted his audience to understand the humor here when he told the joke live--but you can tell that at the time the actual situation he describes was happening, he was sardonically mocking his boss for taking his own view of reality too seriously and he really didn't give a shit if the boss got the joke or not--as long as Hicks himself saw the connection and appreciated it. That's Ni.


    P.S.,
    Family Guy is 100% Ne. King of The Hill is more Ni...if that helps.
    I tend to agree (have thought before) with all of this.

    South Park would DEFINITELY be Ni (it makes a living of tearing down people who think they have a monopoly on truth/take their perceptions too seriously). Which is strange, because everyone always wants to type the creator as ENTP.

    Its also funny that you note King of the Hill. I think I might be the ONLY person I know who likes that show. No one else (that i know irl) seems to "get" the humor like I do... Its all about knowing the world views that the show mocks/pays tribute to.

    Family Guy I think could be Se or Ne. The little cut away scenes are definitely Ne in seeing the possibilities. However, there is a definite "immediate reaction" "overly bold" humor that most Se people tend to appreciate.

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    I've got some good Ne, so I'll throw my hat into the ring with, ironically, a little bit of Se.

    Here are some concrete examples of my humor (all things which have made me laugh out loud):

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-jVAHAuiS4"]Albi the Racist Dragon[/YOUTUBE]

    "Laughed the boy" made me laugh quite boisterously. "You'll make it dirty" made me laugh as well.


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o70mZQod06g"]Rudolph's Tumor Humor[/YOUTUBE]







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    i think woody allen's early stand up and short stories are very Ne

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    The NTJ's I know tend to love Family Guy...
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    I've been thinking about this for a while.

    Can a Ne dom/aux (NP) Ne-play with an tert/inf Ne (SJ)?
    Likewise with Ni-users?

    I have an ESFJ friend who I Ne-play with all the time. Admittedly, it has taken a while for our sense of humors to properly mesh (try eight years) and we have known each other long enough to create a context, or back story, (Si) to feed our Ne-banter, but we still do it.

    One thing I question though is that even though I know I don't have Ni, I find that I sometimes slip into (what I think is) Ni humor with an INFJ friend of mine and even one of my ESTP friends.

    For example, I was talking to the ESTP friend today and telling her jokingly about how after a long day I want to just go home sans company, sit in a dark lonely cobwebbed corner, and weep a single-teared cry. She started laughing and warned me to beware of the eels. I then asked her what did eels have to do with the ironic story about the sad state of my social life I just told, and she told me that she misunderstood what I said (because of course she was only half listening to me) and thought I was creating an elaborate story based around a metaphor comparing my house to the dark underbelly of the ocean. Then I laughed (because she knows me a little too well) and said something to the effect of, "Man, what if my bedroom really were underwater?" Laughter. "Come bedtime, I brush my teeth and then hop into my bodysuit." More laughter. "What if there was a special seal outside my bedroom door trapping in the water and a security system that identified the intruder by fingerprint and corneal data?" This seriously went on for about a good fifteen minutes with both of us adding more absurdities and getting more and more specific until y'know we got bored and stuff. My point though is I thought that maybe I was using my Ne in that situation and situations like it whereas she was using Se to mimick Ne in Ne-play; however, I'm not so sure anymore. Could she have been using inferior Ni? And because it's an inferior function, could it not, if her Ni is somehow impaired or underdeveloped, be quite as filled out thus making the Ni appear like Ne, in such case with humor, but in essence isn't? Could this be an example of filling out an extraverted function, making it multi-dimensional? Is that even possible? Because I've been under the impression that the extraverted functions were expansive and widespread although lacking some depth (introspection?) while the introverted functions were deep although lacking a multitude of networks*. Granted, I could be very wrong here.


    *I don't know if any of this could be plausible. I'm just thinking aloud.

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    I like your taste in humor Jonnyboy.

    I find absurdity, stupidity/obliviousness, bizarre thought processes and mindless violence most entertaining. I think my tastes run toward the Ne/possibly Se. I understand drier 'Ni'-like humor, but don't prefer it. The Young Ones is probably the perfect example of what I consider funny.

    The Young Ones - Bambi clip

    So, yes, I tend to "find miscues/obliviousness of senses either funny or deceptive", like INFP/INTP. But I also relate to these quite a bit:

    - ENFP/ESFP -Ti- finds weird/incorrect analysis either funny or deceptive
    - ENTP/ESTP -Fi- finds sociopathic/lack of values either funny or deceptive
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    Fi>Si>Ne>Te>Fe>Se>Ti>Ni

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    I think it's more a question of NT vs NF than Ni vs Ne. There are definite things I can class as NT humour but very times when I see a peice of humour which depends XNXJ vs XNXP.

    In fact let's test it: I challenge anyone to find a joke, vid or pic which XNXJ's will overwhelmingly get and XNXP's overwhelmingly not, and vice versa.
    You won't get better results with NT/NF.

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    If South Park, Arrested Development, and King of the Hill are Ni humor, and Family Guy is Ne humor, then Ni humor > Ne humor.
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    XD Rudolph's Tumor and "tears that turn into jelly beans"

    Great selections Jonny.

    I love humor like Jeff Dunham, george carlin is a for sure fave, lewis black, jon stewart, definitely "the sklar brothers".

    Tim allen in home improvement especially as I find him being so impulsive with getting into accidents and hurting himself *Trickster Se perhaps?*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    I think it's more a question of NT vs NF than Ni vs Ne. There are definite things I can class as NT humour but very times when I see a peice of humour which depends XNXJ vs XNXP.

    In fact let's test it: I challenge anyone to find a joke, vid or pic which XNXJ's will overwhelmingly get and XNXP's overwhelmingly not, and vice versa.
    It's not a question of getting or not getting it; it's a question of finding it funny or not finding it funny. You can get the point that a joke is trying to make and still not find it very amusing.
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