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    Default J vs P distinction

    While doing the dishes I just had an intuitive memory (as I call it) about Judgers just casting their opinions without telling where they refer to/how they got there. It puzzled me a lot why my fater (ISTJ) implied something, even mentioning what I might do about it, while I hadn't very much of a clue what he had actually seen in me.

    Very insightful.

    That should make a Perceiver someone who tells about what he sees, explains a lot, without mentioning where he wants to go with it.
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    I do explain a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewellyn View Post
    While doing the dishes I just had an intuitive memory (as I call it) about Judgers just casting their opinions without telling where they refer to/how they got there. It puzzled me a lot why my fater (ISTJ) implied something, even mentioning what I might do about it, while I hadn't very much of a clue what he had actually seen in me.

    Very insightful.

    That should make a Perceiver someone who tells about what he sees, explains a lot, without mentioning where he wants to go with it.
    My J wife has said she is tired of my excuses(explanations) and is frustrated because I cant seem to tell her what to do.

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    I think that other three letters play a role here as well. However I have been accused for this behaviour so many times that I have stoped to count.

    But in my case people usually get annoyed/bored if I give my explanations since they are usually quite long. Plus I claim that I can't give you a shorter explanation if you want to really get about what I am talking about.


    Can any other NT(J) relate to this ?

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    the J vs P thing is really about tension.

    Js feel tension to make a decision quickly
    Ps feel tension to make a decision later

    It's basically a decision making preference.

    Another way I look at it is when faced with an event or just about anything in general.

    Js tend to take something and analyze forward (logistics / left head fish bone diagram)
    Ps tend to take something and analyze backwards (root cause analysis / right head fish bone diagram)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    But in my case people usually get annoyed/bored if I give my explanations since they are usually quite long. Plus I claim that I can't give you a shorter explanation if you want to really get about what I am talking about.
    This is why I stay in my head with my thoughts, it takes to long to let it all out. We have the same reasoning, but different ways of dealing with it. I watch and observe waiting for pieces to fall in place while things that dont just keep getting processed along the way building on everything and you go after the answer keeping people on track or steering them to what your trying to figure out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    This is why I stay in my head with my thoughts, it takes to long to let it all out. We have the same reasoning, but different ways of dealing with it. I watch and observe waiting for pieces to fall in place while things that dont just keep getting processed along the way building on everything and you go after the answer keeping people on track or steering them to what your trying to figure out.
    Your last sentence has 45 words...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewellyn View Post
    Your last sentence has 45 words...
    woohoo you can count, lol, just kidding. Is that bad, I suck at grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    woohoo you can count, lol, just kidding. Is that bad, I suck at grammar
    Microsoft Word can count. I found it amusing considering what you said, about it taking too long to get your thoughts out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by durentu View Post
    the J vs P thing is really about tension.

    Js feel tension to make a decision quickly
    Ps feel tension to make a decision later

    It's basically a decision making preference.

    Another way I look at it is when faced with an event or just about anything in general.

    Js tend to take something and analyze forward (logistics / left head fish bone diagram)
    Ps tend to take something and analyze backwards (root cause analysis / right head fish bone diagram)

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