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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    You remind me of Jaguar in your inability to give a straight answer when directly confronted with evidence that you're full of shit.
    I know exactly what's on your mind, Sim.
    You're thinking of that thread where you asked me to "list weaknesses of ENTJs."
    Then you accused me of thinking ENTJs are "superior" to everyone else, because I didn't answer you.

    What do I rail against in this forum?
    Stereotyping and making sweeping generalizations about groups of people, without sufficient evidence.
    But yet you expected me to engage in that reckless behavior, myself.
    Have you lost your fucking mind?

    Why should I make up a bunch of lies about a group of people, I have never met in my entire life?
    It wouldn't have mattered if you asked me to list "weaknesses" of INTPs, ESTJs, or INFPs.

    Ask me to tell you the weakness of an INDIVIDUAL that I know, and you'll get an answer.
    But don't ask me, in a serious discussion, to vomit out a bunch of bullshit about a group of people I do not know.

    Why?

    It would turn me into you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I know exactly what's on your mind, Sim.
    You're thinking of that thread where you asked me to "list weaknesses of ENTJs."
    Then you accused me of thinking ENTJs are "superior" to everyone else, because I didn't answer you.

    What do I rail against in this forum?
    Stereotyping and making sweeping generalizations about groups of people, without sufficient evidence.
    But yet you expected me to engage in that reckless behavior, myself.
    Have you lost your fucking mind?

    Why should I make up a bunch of lies about a group of people, I have never met in my entire life?
    It wouldn't have mattered if you asked me to list "weaknesses" of INTPs, ESTJs, or INFPs.

    Ask me to tell you the weakness of an INDIVIDUAL that I know, and you'll get an answer.
    But don't ask me, in a serious discussion, to vomit out a bunch of bullshit about a group of people I do not know.

    Why?

    It would turn me into you.
    I've answered this enough times by now. Part of the definition of each type group includes a tendency toward strengths in some areas and weaknesses in others.

    I'll chalk up your inability to understand this to poor Ne.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Ti = figurative pain in the ass

    Te = literal pain in the ass.

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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I've answered this enough times by now. Part of the definition of each type group includes a tendency toward strengths in some areas and weaknesses in others.
    Within each alleged group are people who are very different from one another.
    The reason for that is well-known: Different types of function development.
    There's not a reputable Jungian analyst who doesn't know that.
    But you sure don't.

    You could have two ENTPs with a Tert function in opposing attitudes.
    But using strict MBTI function orders, the person who deviated from MBTI's tertiary "norm" wouldn't even be an ENTP.
    Even if we only addressed the Tert issue in isolation from other variables, more than 16 possible types could be generated.
    But you're still living in the land of conventional thinking.

    The point being, there are possibilities that you consciously choose to ignore.
    You behave as if only one theoretical contruct exists, when many exist.
    Hell, if anything, you should be the poster boy for what a Dom Ne is NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Within each alleged group are people who are very different from one another.
    The reason for that is well-known: Different types of function development.
    There's not a reputable Jungian analyst who doesn't know that.
    But you sure don't.

    You could have two ENTPs with a Tert function in opposing attitudes.
    But using strict MBTI function orders, the person who deviated from MBTI's tertiary "norm" wouldn't even be an ENTP.
    Even if we only addressed the Tert issue in isolation from other variables, more than 16 possible types could be generated.
    But you're still living in the land of conventional thinking.
    This is a definitional issue regarding the meaning of the term "tertiary." Some ENTPs might have Si as their third most utilized function, and others might have Fe, etc. When I use the term "tertiary" I'm simply referring to the function that's oriented the same way as the dominant, but with the opposing perception/judgment faculty.

    The so-called "tertiary function" doesn't have to be the third most utilized function.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The point being, there are possibilities that you consciously choose to ignore.
    You behave as if only one theoretical contruct exists, when many exist.
    Hell, if anything, you should be the poster boy for what a Dom Ne is NOT.
    Dumb.


    Great signature quote from your Dad, by the way. It plays quite nicely into your overwhelmingly Te-dominant worldview. Did you ever consider there might be perspectives on that that you're consciously choosing to ignore?

    For some, the most important pursuit is personal, internal fulfillment. For these people, the external world can go fuck itself.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Great signature quote from your Dad, by the way.
    I hope so. He's worth 8 figures. He made millions delivering pizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    He's worth 8 figures.
    Yet another monetary value judgment from an NTJ. "BUT HE HAS MORE MONEY SO CLEARLY HE IS THE BEST"

    You don't see how the value of anything can be measured in non-Te terms, do you? NTJs so often illustrate the shallow nature of Te when they make comments like this. When they want to insult someone the first thing they go for is "I HAVE MORE MONEY AND INFLUENCE THAN YOU", as if non-Te types actually give a shit.

    HINT: There's more to life than money and power.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Yet another monetary value judgment from an NTJ. "BUT HE HAS MORE MONEY SO CLEARLY HE IS THE BEST"

    You don't see how the value of anything can be measured in non-Te terms, do you? NTJs so often illustrate the shallow nature of Te when they make comments like this. When they want to insult someone the first thing they go for is "I HAVE MORE MONEY AND INFLUENCE THAN YOU", as if non-Te types actually give a shit.

    HINT: There's more to life than money and power.
    That's not really to do with MBTI it is jsut to do with background. Someone whose dad is "worth 8 figures" is bound to be brought up thinking that way, and only a strong and intelligent one will overcome such thinking.

    I know lots of NTJ's who do not think the way you described.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Yet another monetary value judgment from an NTJ. "BUT HE HAS MORE MONEY SO CLEARLY HE IS THE BEST"

    You don't see how the value of anything can be measured in non-Te terms, do you? NTJs so often illustrate the shallow nature of Te when they make comments like this. When they want to insult someone the first thing they go for is "I HAVE MORE MONEY AND INFLUENCE THAN YOU", as if non-Te types actually give a shit.

    HINT: There's more to life than money and power.
    Like a fish to the bait. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Like a fish to the bait. . . .
    It's really cute how NTJs get off on feeling like they're manipulating people when they're doing no such thing. I like arguing, get it? I enjoy typing up snarky responses to you. You're not "baiting" shit.

    If I offer you a steak and you take it and eat it because you like eating steak, I haven't manipulated anything. I've just given you an opportunity to do something you enjoy.

    But if I were an NTJ I'd probably laugh to myself about how I tricked that sucker into doing what I wanted, because I control everything behind the scenes because I'm so brilliant, ha-ha-ha. :rolli:
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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