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    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
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    Default Kneejerk Judgments as possible T/F indicators?

    Here's a possible clue to F or T preference we should look at. In daily annoyances, including in our interaction here, how do you tend to judge people? Or what is the kneejerk judgment you make? "Stupid", "dumb", "silly", etc.? Or is it more along the lines of ethics? Like maybe "inappropriate", "bad person", etc. I'm not even sure of kneejerk F judgments. Maybe they don't even come out like that. Or maybe it comes across as questioning the value/worth of things (rather than the people who make them like T tends to go after)?

    I say kneejerk, because it is often hard to sort out T/F by conventional means, such as "how you make your decisions". It is often ambiguous. or both are even involved, and it is hard to tell what the actual preference is. However, in a more kneejerk response, your true primary mode of judgment is likely what comes up, almost unconsciously. You don't have time to consult the other processes.
    Now, it can't be a too much stressed out reaction, as the more stressed out it is, the further down you will go in the processes. But a normal quick judgment will most likely reflect the true preference.

    I had noticed I always tend to think what people do is stupid, dumb, etc. I don't usually think "bad" immoral, etc. (I did when a child, and stuff like cursing, or smoking/drinking, etc were said to be "bad" when kids did it, so then I saw such kids as "bad". When I grew up, I began, on my own thinking, developing a more relativistic morality until becoming Christian, and even then, I thought many were judging others too self-righteously, and when someone did something I didn't like; I would not label them "bad". When others did things that really disturbed me, like some teachings in other schisms of the church, which placed some sort of burden on us, I would always attack it with logical analysis).

    So how do others tend to react? Do you find it matches your T/F preference? And those unsure of T/F, do you think this idea might work as a possible clue?
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    My most frequent kneejerk of other people is "boring." If it's boring, I don't care what else it is. That's the death sentence.


    I'll sometimes kneejerk that someone is an "asshole," but I like assholes when they're interesting.


    When I kneejerk my own behavior, however, it's usually "That was a stupid thing to do/say."

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    I think you're correct, the first reaction/judgment to any kind of information can be a good indicator of the T or F preference. The best way for me has been to consider the split as impersonal vs. personal comparisons to the self or the environment.

    However, not to spin this thread in a direction you didn't intend, there are statements like BlahBlah's that make me wonder where the judgments are coming from. Is "interesting" or "boring" or "asshole" a T or F judgment and how do you tell the difference?



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    I would've thought knee-jerk judgements would be more of an Ni/Ne indicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    I would've thought knee-jerk judgements would be more of an Ni/Ne indicator.
    It's not really the tendency to make them that he is talking about, but when you do make a judgment on information, it's your first reaction, ie, the first thing that comes to your mind.

    Unless I misunderstood.



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    I don't label people that much but when I do, I usually tend to go with "thoughtless", "inconsiderate", "insensitive", "inapproriate" when I observe people doing something that irritates me. Or that this kind of behaviour is "wrong/ you should know better".
    When it's something milder, I'll go with "Hmmm..." and hold off further jdgement.
    Or I'll just go with "moron", when people act or say something really lacking in good judgement.

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    seems about right....my ex, an istj was constantly saying...what an idiot...or jerk or whatever other name...to the guy who cut in front of him in traffic...or was taking too long to go...or anybody doing something other than what he wanted....it never made sense to me. my reaction was always...oh damn...they're in a hurry...haha...or....how funny they're all zoned out and didn't notice the light change...and then his snap jugdements would piss me off.
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    Still thinking about this, and my second most frequent judgment, after "boring" is "doesn't make sense." Third is definitely "inconsiderate."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    My most frequent kneejerk of other people is "boring." If it's boring, I don't care what else it is. That's the death sentence.
    I was like that when I was younger. But boring is fascinating to me now. I want to know why you are boring. Can you hear yourself speak, and if so, do you also bore yourself? That sort of thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I think you're correct, the first reaction/judgment to any kind of information can be a good indicator of the T or F preference. The best way for me has been to consider the split as impersonal vs. personal comparisons to the self or the environment.
    Yeah, my judgments tend to be impersonal to the highest degree (not "you are stupid", but "that thing you said was stupid"). Because I am usually so far removed from people mentally, it's rare for me to get offended. I just get curious. When I think someone is an asshole, that usually isn't even a judgment - it's just an observation, if you can understand what I mean. So yeah, I think what Eric is talking about is a pretty good indicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I was like that when I was younger. But boring is fascinating to me now. I want to know why you are boring. Can you hear yourself speak, and if so, do you also bore yourself? That sort of thing.



    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    When I think someone is an asshole, that usually isn't even a judgment - it's just an observation
    Actually, this is a good point. "Asshole" sort of files into my brain for processing ... for me, it's not actually a judgment.

    "Boring" is.

    And I am extremely judgmental about people being inconsiderate. I don't mean rude/impolite ... I mean acting selfishly in a way that causes others actual harm.

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