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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Is it just me, or are people just missing the irony of him blatantly reversing the stupid stereotype from the OP?
    I understand it sounds stupid, but I want a reason besides "Thinkers can feel "

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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    I understand it sounds stupid, but I want a reason besides "Thinkers can feel "
    It wasn't a reason. He was mocking you for being an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    It wasn't a reason. He was mocking you for being an ass.
    sorrrrryyyy

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    Hey Run, I'm not good with terms and definitions but in answer to your question ... I think I could be considered a moral relativist.
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    Morality is the sum of the beliefs that have formed within me about what is right and wrong and what's important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    I just look at problems, let my mind go to work, and get the answers without knowing or being able to explain how I came to them. My thinking process isn't logical, methodical, or explainable. It's based completely on feelings and hunches.
    Quote Originally Posted by wren View Post
    When I worked elementary math I could always work the solutions except my answers were off by a digit or so.
    Interesting.

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    I think objective morality is "my rights end where yours begin." That's why things like lying, stealing, cheating, rape, and murder are wrong: they interfere with the instrinsic right of other human beings. Overstepping the bounds, as one might say.

    One might then say,"well it's in my rational self interest to (lie or cheat or steal)" but that really isn't rational. It isn't really rational to hurt others unless it's in self-defense. People are social animals, and interdependence tends to be what works best for us. It's in our rational self-interest to extend to others the same behavior with which we would like to be treated. It makes everything easier for everybody.

    Morality can be very logical. But it isn't always.

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    fucking with the free will of others is on my bad list
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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    I guess my other question is: What is it like to be F? I know lots of ENFJs who are good at logic, or math, or business or something. One even said that morality was objective. Isn't this the very thing that makes a Thinker a Thinker?

    How does an ENFJ arrive at objective morality?

    How do have such good values, yet have no logical basis for what you do?
    What does logic have to do with values? Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.a View Post
    fucking with the free will of others is on my bad list
    But the free will of others is far too vague of a term to leave alone. People could have the "free will" to go around molesting children or shooting people at McDonald's. I'm certainly going to fuck with that.

    That can even be extended to less directly but still obviously harmful behaviors, like smoking cigarettes in a closed public room with non-smokers, etc.

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