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    I try.

    Say your first (the primary function) is Fe and your fourth function is Fi. They are both in the main line. In other words, they are both your dominant functions.

    You are a Fe > Fi.

    The Fe covers all the Fi. The Fi does not cover all the Fe.

    What happens to the surplus Fe?

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    Spreads on the world around?
    The Fi neutralises an equal amount of Fe and the rest is what is finally expressed?
    Are Fe and Fi like matter and antimatter?

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    Yeah you seem to have such a view on the interaction of functions I haven't seen before. What do you mean by Fe covering Fi? Do you mean that Fe is used in all situations where Fi is used, and in others, too? How do you relate Fi and Fe?

    This "surplus" thing makes me think of producer-consumer model in logistics, or something with equal logic. I.e. one produces, other consumes. To my knowledge, Fi and Fe don't work like that. Mind explaining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    Spreads on the world around?
    The Fi neutralises an equal amount of Fe and the rest is what is finally expressed?
    Are Fe and Fi like matter and antimatter?
    A prick I say.

    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Yeah you seem to have such a view on the interaction of functions I haven't seen before. What do you mean by Fe covering Fi? Do you mean that Fe is used in all situations where Fi is used, and in others, too? How do you relate Fi and Fe?

    This "surplus" thing makes me think of producer-consumer model in logistics, or something with equal logic. I.e. one produces, other consumes. To my knowledge, Fi and Fe don't work like that. Mind explaining?
    What is left behind creates its own entity.

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    So, Fe covers all of Fi? Not exactly. On the outside, yes. But from the observer's perspective? No. The missing element? Direct experience of the emotion by the observer. It's felt by the others, and can be internally confirmed by the observer via their reflections and ideas, even written, but never seen directly on the internal level. The price of Fe warmth and light for others is an inner numbness. We can easily know what we are feeling, and are driven to know. But we can only know, not feel. The advantage? Awareness of what others are feeling.Does Fi exist in Fe's? Technically yes. But we aren't directly aware of it. The Intuitive is luckier, though. Intuition acts as the best mirror.

    How do we know that waves exist outside the visible spectrum if we can't see them? By the effect they have on objects attuned to their presence.

    How did Newton discover gravity? Did he see it with his eyes? No. He saw the apple fall, and inferred gravity from the impact it had upon the apple.

    The reason we constantly output emotion is in hopes that another will reflect it back. Holding a forward-directed flashlight, desperate for mirrors, but all the mirrors are slightly flawed, curved, or dim. So we need several to get a glimpse of ourselves.

    So, Fe is feeling projected onto the object, reflected back. What you believed covered Fi was only the reflection of it.
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    Given that somebody cannot have in the main line Fe as dominant and Fi as fourth function, I guess wildcat's question was not speaking literally.

    Or there could be a parallel order of the funcions.
    i.e.: ENFJ
    Original chart:
    Fe, Ni, Ne, Fi main, secondary Si, Te, Ti, Se
    then, neutralising the functions:
    Fe+Fi=Fe (Fe>Fi): Fe 1st main, Fi 1st secondary
    Ni+Ne=Ni (Ni>Ne): Ni 2d main, Ne 2d secundary
    Se+Si=Se (Si>Se but negative): Se 3d main, Si 3d secondary
    Te+Ti=Ti (Te>Ti but negative): Ti 4th main, Te 4th secondary

    Then, neutralised ENFJ chart: the usual

    And so it can go for the rest of the types/functions

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    So, Fe covers all of Fi? Not exactly. On the outside, yes. But from the observer's perspective? No. The missing element? Direct experience of the emotion by the observer. It's felt by the others, and can be internally confirmed by the observer via their reflections and ideas, even written, but never seen directly on the internal level. The price of Fe warmth and light for others is an inner numbness. We can easily know what we are feeling, and are driven to know. But we can only know, not feel. The advantage? Awareness of what others are feeling.Does Fi exist in Fe's? Technically yes. But we aren't directly aware of it. The Intuitive is luckier, though. Intuition acts as the best mirror.

    How do we know that waves exist outside the visible spectrum if we can't see them? By the effect they have on objects attuned to their presence.

    How did Newton discover gravity? Did he see it with his eyes? No. He saw the apple fall, and inferred gravity from the impact it had upon the apple.

    The reason we constantly output emotion is in hopes that another will reflect it back. Holding a forward-directed flashlight, desperate for mirrors, but all the mirrors are slightly flawed, curved, or dim. So we need several to get a glimpse of ourselves.

    So, Fe is feeling projected onto the object, reflected back. What you believed covered Fi was only the reflection of it.
    I was listening to Leonard Cohen songs. It is interesting how he is absolutely turned inward when he sings. And yet he conveys the message.
    Reflection only. All right.

    A beautiful reflection though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    Given that somebody cannot have in the main line Fe as dominant and Fi as fourth function, I guess wildcat's question was not speaking literally.

    Or there could be a parallel order of the funcions.
    i.e.: ENFJ
    Original chart:
    Fe, Ni, Ne, Fi main, secondary Si, Te, Ti, Se
    then, neutralising the functions:
    Fe+Fi=Fe (Fe>Fi): Fe 1st main, Fi 1st secondary
    Ni+Ne=Ni (Ni>Ne): Ni 2d main, Ne 2d secundary
    Se+Si=Se (Si>Se but negative): Se 3d main, Si 3d secondary
    Te+Ti=Ti (Te>Ti but negative): Ti 4th main, Te 4th secondary

    Then, neutralised ENFJ chart: the usual

    And so it can go for the rest of the types/functions
    And so we are in the beginning again.
    A little wiser, perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    You are a Fe > Fi.

    The Fe covers all the Fi. The Fi does not cover all the Fe.

    What happens to the surplus Fe?
    It oozes over into the "Fo > Fum".

    lol. sorry.
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