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    Default MBTI and the Four Temperaments (Humors)

    Is there any correlation? I would assume that I corresponds to melancholy and E corresponds to sanguine while J corresponds to choleric and P to phlegmatic. But, looking at my own personality (ISTJ - Melancholy Phlegmatic), I think it's more complicated than that.
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    Yes, there is:
    Sanguine (Blood): SP
    Choleric (Yellow bile): NF
    Melancholic (Black bile): NT
    Phlegmatic (Phlegm): SJ

    EDIT: the correlations are indeed more complicated, but this generalisation might give an image

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    Yes, there is:
    Sanguine (Blood): SP
    Choleric (Yellow bile): NF
    Melancholic (Black bile): NT
    Phlegmatic (Phlegm): SJ

    EDIT: the correlations are indeed more complicated, but this generalisation might give an image
    ENTJ, a Melancholic?
    Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    ENTJ, a Melancholic?
    Come on.
    Yes, ENTP doesn't fit either
    And INTJs and ISTPs are rather phlegmatic, too

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    In PUMII Keirsey lays out the 4 temperaments of who they are in regards. (I'm going from memory so I hope it's right )
    SJs melancholic
    NTs phlegmatic
    NFs choleric
    SPs sanguine
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    A test brought to the forum's attention a few months ago worked along the lines of the humorous interpretation of temperament. It's one that I, oddly enough, bumped yesterday (unless this was motivated by its return).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RansomedbyFire View Post
    Is there any correlation? I would assume that I corresponds to melancholy and E corresponds to sanguine while J corresponds to choleric and P to phlegmatic. But, looking at my own personality (ISTJ - Melancholy Phlegmatic), I think it's more complicated than that.
    I don't find the humors theory very useful, even with the alterations that were made to it by adding a secondary humor. It is based on archetypes that I do not believe are fully comprehensive/typical of the human condition. (It's like working with half of an Enneagram.)
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    I think there is a difference between the LaHaye's interpretations of they humors and the original meanings, but I'm not certain.

    If you go with something like the LaHaye's system, I'd say the correlations are something like:
    EXXP=Sanguine
    EXXJ=Choleric
    IXXP=Phlegmatic
    IXXJ=Melancholic

    Edit: For a secondary pref, there's a correlation between T and Choleric and F and Sanguine. I don't think you can go much further than that.
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    Jung's original functions were correlated as follows:

    N: Sanguine
    S: Melancholic
    T: Choleric
    F: Phlegmatic

    Other definitions have correlated it like this:

    S: Sanguine
    T: Melancholic
    F: Choleric
    N: Phlegmatic

    The second one, I feel, has the more spiritual outlook:

    S comes first, and represents new beginnings that are not yet controlled and very irrational.

    T stabilizes and categorizes, gives analytical definitions. It is rational.

    F gives value to that which has been categorized. Hence, this particular rationality is also idealistic.

    N represents transformation and higher knowledge. It is associated with the unconscious and mystery. It once again transcends the boundaries of rational thought.

    After the first cycle is complete, S returns to apply N's insights, and the cycle is infinitely repeated.

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    LaHaye's, according to Cafe, makes more sense.

    In application, particularly the context of this forum's related test, if extroversion is more than a question-specific measure of sociability, then Zhash and I would not be INTJs; and all self-described INTJs on this board that are in fact INTJs would not be Choleric/Melancholy.

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