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    Bravo to the exegesis, and those responsible for it.

    It's personally valuable inasmuch as the humors, in conjunction with the Enneagram and the Big Five, categorize me much more accurately than does MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    EXXP=Sanguine
    EXXJ=Choleric
    IXXP=Phlegmatic
    IXXJ=Melancholic
    I tend to agree with this breaking down of the temperaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimpei View Post
    I tend to agree with this breaking down of the temperaments.
    Nonsense.

    You can see your personal description.
    It does not fit, see?

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    I'm a Melancholy INTP
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    Have these people taken their descriptions from
    the Shimpei thread?

    It is not the fault of Shimpei.. she has been deceived.

    This is all wrong, guys. I am sorry.

    The test is an awful mess. I checked it out.
    The appellations there are not in agreement with standard psychology.



    As I said, it is not Shimpei's fault. She could not have known they are a such a mess.

    Forget the results you have received. They have nothing to do with anything.

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    Isn't the correlation between the MBTI and KTS something like 85 percent or so?

    If that's the case, then I think that the humors upon which the KTS is based most definitely have some correlation with MBTI types.

    The trouble is that the four humors have slight changes in description of representative traits depending on what system is being used.

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    Default MBTI and Four Temperaments correlations

    Hi guys,

    I worked out a system for correlating MBTI types with the Four Temperaments.

    Each temperament combination can correlate to two MBTI types, always one Thinking and one Feeling.

    Mel-Chol = INFJ or INTJ
    Chol-Mel = ENFJ or ENTJ
    Mel-Phleg = INFP or INTP
    Phleg-Mel = ISFJ or ISTJ
    Phleg-San = ISFP or ISTP
    San-Phleg = ESFP or ESTP
    Chol-San = ENFP or ENTP
    San-Chol = ESFJ or ESTJ

    I associated "EN" always with choleric, "ES" always with sanguine, "IS" always with phlegmatic, and "IN" always with melancholic. "N" is associated with cholerics and melancholics because these temperaments are drawn toward "intuition," which plays out rationally or poetically. "S" for sensing is associated with sanguines and phlegmatics as the two more light-hearted, less serious and less mind-oriented temperaments. Obviously, "E" belongs with cholerics and sanguines, the extroverted temperaments, and "I" for introverted with melancholics and phlegmatics.

    A person is either "perceiving" (P) or "judging (J) on account of their secondary temperament. I associated "J" with cholerics and melancholics, as the judgmental/critical temperaments, and "P" with sanguines and phlegmatics, as the perceiving temperaments. Thus a melancholic-choleric, for example, will be "IN" on account of being melancholic, and "J" on account of being secondarily choleric. The "T" or "P" is up for grabs.

    SO, I pretty much agree with whoever said that...
    melancholics are IxxJ
    cholerics are ExxJ
    phlegmatics are IxxP
    sanguines are ExxP

    ...because I believe that an IxxJ will always be either primarily or secondarily melancholic, a ExxJ will always be primarily or secondarily a choleric, and so on.

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    This ended right before I arrived here (a year and two days ago!), and it should have my take on how the systems fit together: Five Temperaments test!

    The two four temperament matrices are basically "temperament" and Interaction Style. The IJ/IP/EJ/EP group does work on the N side, but on the S side, it's IT/IF/ET/EF.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

    Temperament (APS) from scratch -- MBTI Type from scratch
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    Hi everyone!
    I'm a Sanguine ENFP.
    Love is a smoke made with the fume of sighs. Being purged a fire sparkling in lovers eyes, being vexed a sea nourished with lovers tears, What is it else? A madness most discreet, A choking gall and a perserving sweet.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    Yeah; ENFP is either Sanguine-Phlegmatic or Sanguine-Supine.
    Which ENFPh member is this? (Welcome!)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

    Temperament (APS) from scratch -- MBTI Type from scratch
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