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    Default What Best Describes Your Approach to MBTI?

    Nominalist
    E, I, S, N, F, T, J, P all exist a-priori , that is, they exist independently of human perception. The cathegories are there just as they were there before psychologists started desribing human personality and they desribe reality absolutely.

    Realist
    Reality is constantly mutating and morphing. Like light it can never really be truly caught or desribed but E, I, S, N, F, T, J, P are relatively precise ways of describing human personality even if they are ultimately approximated.

    Social-constructivist
    E, I, S, N, F, T, J, P concertly form a complex set of goggels that we unwittingly supercede upon ourselves. In doing so, we create confirmation bias, conditioning ourselves to see people primarily through whatever inclanation we believe their type to have.
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    No Social-Constructivists? I guess they won't be hanging around the MBTIc unless they are somewhat strange.

    Then again, INTPs are somewhat strange...
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    I really don't think anyone is going to be a Nominalist.

    As for Realist, the one I chose, I would extend that idea to everything. Things can only be approximated based on our perceptions, not known. But our perceptions are good enough for most purposes, although we should always acknowledge that there could be a flaw in them.

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    well, of course things can only be approximated based of our perceptions; perceptions limit the stimulus information we can think about. and our perceptions on personality are very limited.

    all the same, i do believe that personality exists independently of human perception. an alien who knew MBTI perfectly could come and slot humans into the 16 types.

    Or a better system. I don't think MBTI is perfect, of course.
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    It's an approximation that works o.k. for classifying and predicting what people will do.

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    I really don't think anyone is going to be a Nominalist.
    Well as you can see there are. The logic is hard to follow from the realist's perspective but its certainly there and well established, I might add, after 2000 years of Plato and Christianity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Well as you can see there are. The logic is hard to follow from the realist's perspective but its certainly there and well established, I might add, after 2000 years of Plato and Christianity
    Yup, the appeal to the Ideal.

    I'm some variation of Realist, but I can't quite agree with everything you said. (Especially since you were equating J/P to the other functions, whereas it is really not a function pair.)

    In practice, I find MBTI very useful and it works. But I think confirmation bias is a very real danger and must be kept in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    No Social-Constructivists? I guess they won't be hanging around the MBTIc unless they are somewhat strange.

    Then again, INTPs are somewhat strange...
    I'm an INTP and I voted Realist. The Social-Constructivists position doesn't give the theories any credit for how accurate they are sometimes. I read an INTP description that was extremely precise.
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    I actually think most people are Social-Constructivists. They just don't realize it. Look at all the stereotyping that occurs in the threads on this forum (and INTPc). It's rampant.
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    Typology is within human nature. If our perceptions are likely accurate enough, nominalism will be sufficient. Realism, the way you described it suggests that we are far off.

    Puzzling why you wish to label the former as nominalism and the latter as realism. Nominalism implies pertaining to the 'name' more than to the essence.

    Are you suggesting that the latter approach is simply more 'realistic'. In that case it must be shown that typology does not accurately depict the unconscious tendencies within human nature. Without an argument for that, the term realism is not warranted.
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