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    Question Extroversion vs Introversion. What really defines E and I? Bust Stereotypes? ;).

    Hey all ,
    Hopefully this hasn't been done in some other topic.
    If anyone is up for it I want to know how did you
    come to the decision that you were Extroverted and
    for those who are Introverted?

    If anyone can tell me what defines extroversion and
    introversion? maybe it will help to hear straight from
    the source and not some article.

    I heard there can be quiet ones as well. So
    I'm assuming that can't be used as a measure
    to determine then .

    Hoping to clear up some misconception of the E vs I thing.
    I hear so much from articles on the web and such. I just want to
    make sure I'm getting it right and not being misinformed.

    *considering if i could be E not I *
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    Extroversion and introversion are defined by the attitude of the dominant function. If your dominant is focused on the external world, you will tend to express yourself more towards the outside world. ("expressiveness" is one of the names for the E/I factor). If your dominant is focused towards the internal world, you will tend to express yourself to the external world less, as you are more in your own mind.

    Of course, there are various reasons a person's expressed behavior might not appear to match the dominant function. That's why in most systems, outward behavior is distinguished from true inborn preference.
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    Have posted this before;

    After talking about the differences between I and E elsewhere this is what I've come up as the points that stood out to me as exclusively introversion and the opposite of what an extrovert would experience;
    • The idea that you will eventually feel tired and drained even when talking to people whose company you enjoy, the conversation can be enthralling but if it goes on long enough at some point you will retreat into your head and get quiet, or if you can, leave and find your own space to recharge. At the end of socialisation you are less energised then when you started.

    • One of the reasons these conversations are draining is because your preference is to think about what is being said before responding thus you are in a way exerting more internal energy than the average extrovert.

    • In line with thinking before speaking, you do not need to verbalise thoughts in order to fully understand them.

    • You have narrower but deeper interests.

    • Exerting your energy outwardly through social interaction is your kryptonite. Your focus is on conserving energy.


    Other things about disliking small talk, having a rich inner world and needing space etc are things that are not unique to introverts imo as an extrovert who feels the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    [*]You have narrower but deeper interests.
    Can you please elaborate on what this means?
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    Thanks trinity and eric b .
    I'll get back to you guys I just want to play around the idea first.
    It seems like i might be E i just want to make sure when i say
    that. It's for real.

    On the first bulletin
    how about if lately i have been feeling that way*drained easier*. Like i have been developing some I.

    on the second bulletin
    It seems i have had to learn to sit with ideas more instead of rushing off. My mother helped me with that one. hmm.

    On the third one
    according to this I am an E cause everytime i verbalize anything even here. I get some clarity on something or a new understanding. Like whenever i have a problem that i just need to talk to someone cause maybe they can help me see it different. Usually it helps to have that verbal expression.

    On the fourth one
    I think i've had to learn to develop the attention span to hold deeper interests actually. Guess that's why i'm surprised with learning the mbti and enneagram. Just very hard to focus my attention on a long book or article though i have improved ^^D. *starting to think I might be E afterall...? am i on the right path?*

    on the fifth one
    It seems that I learned to respect conserving my energy and slow down to let ideas jell. What I'm trying to do now to learn to jell.
    Whenever i'd make plans with my friends i would always love to stay as long as possible if i could just as an example. Whenever i slept over at a friends i could never sleep heh/still can't.

    Just thinking from what i read on a enfp discussion. one said she felt like she had to tone down herself when with people like her intensity.
    Someone else mentioned a switch when something they like is brought up
    I can see that too.

    Just going to try to sit on it for now and leave it nfp cause i'm sure of that.
    Thanks eric b and trinity.
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    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    [*]One of the reasons these conversations are draining is because your preference is to think about what is being said before responding thus you are in a way exerting more internal energy than the average extrovert.

    [*]In line with thinking before speaking, you do not need to verbalise thoughts in order to fully understand them.
    I'm not sure I buy these two points. It's making it seem like extroverts are dumber than introverts because they think less. That's the impression I get at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne View Post
    I'm not sure I buy these two points. It's making it seem like extroverts are dumber than introverts because they think less. That's the impression I get at least.
    ahhh...good point.
    I don't quite understand it as much though so i'd love to hear anyone's input on what they think extroversion is really.

    They don't think less just in a different way so that is a shame people might think that. If anything you think it might look like they would think more since they would need to interact with people to discuss there ideas and thoughts? .
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne View Post
    I'm not sure I buy these two points. It's making it seem like extroverts are dumber than introverts because they think less. That's the impression I get at least.
    Ok but they're true for me and I don't consider myself dumb or suggest them as an indication of lack of thought.

    The difference for me is I think as I talk, this isn't to say that I'm not a quick thinker, that's not the case at all, it's just that I usually think as I talk not before, my preference is not to think things through too much before I say them but to think and speak on my feet. I also often need to verbalise things to fully understand them, dunno why, speech is slower than thinking, maybe it's a way to slow down my thoughts.

    I certainly don't suggest that extroverts think less. I'd have to take offence at myself if I did


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Can you please elaborate on what this means?
    It's a generalisation but the idea is an introvert would delve deeper than your average extrovert into subjects of interest but the extrovert would have a wider range of subjects of interest.

    I'm sure most people would say they do both but when measured up against other people the trend should show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Ok but they're true for me and I don't consider myself dumb or suggest them as an indication of lack of thought.

    The difference for me is I think as I talk, this isn't to say that I'm not a quick thinker, that's not the case at all, it's just that I usually think as I talk not before, my preference is not to think things through too much before I say them but to think and speak on my feet. I also often need to verbalise things to fully understand them, dunno why, speech is slower than thinking, maybe it's a way to slow down my thoughts.

    I certainly don't suggest that extroverts think less. I'd have to take offence at myself if I did
    Haha alright, fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Ok but they're true for me and I don't consider myself dumb or suggest them as an indication of lack of thought.

    The difference for me is I think as I talk, this isn't to say that I'm not a quick thinker, that's not the case at all, it's just that I usually think as I talk not before, my preference is not to think things through too much before I say them but to think and speak on my feet. I also often need to verbalise things to fully understand them, dunno why, speech is slower than thinking, maybe it's a way to slow down my thoughts. Wow never thought of it this way. maybe to try catch them before another comes flying at us. I guess i could see this too.

    I certainly don't suggest that extroverts think less. I'd have to take offence at myself if I did

    It's a generalisation but the idea is an introvert would delve deeper than your average extrovert into subjects of interest but the extrovert would have a wider range of subjects of interest.

    I'm sure most people would say they do both but when measured up against other people the trend should show.

    thanks for adding to that trinity. Sounds similar to my style.
    I too also do a think as a talk kinda thing haha here and irl.
    hmm wider range of subjects of interest.
    Does having to talk outloud include that too? cause I do that quite abit haha if i can't talk to a friend/cat or whatever xD. I do think outloud quite frequently. Mother does it too.
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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