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    Quote Originally Posted by bluebell View Post
    Not sure how typical my version of Ti is, but anyway...

    Ti

    Ti is building up a huge mental model of the world around me inside my head. The mental model is more real to me than the external world. Information comes in and automatically gets checked against what is already known and slotted in if it fits somewhere.

    Sometimes a new piece of information or a new idea requires some parts of the model to be pulled down and rebuilt. Analogy: think of a three dimensional jigsaw puzzle where pieces are continually being slotted in where they fit, but if you get a piece that doesn't fit in anywhere but obviously needs to go in the puzzle, some of the existing pieces are pulled out and rearranged to fit the new piece in. The connections between the pieces are the most important part of the mental model.

    It's what I live for, basically.
    That is... beyond weird. A few weeks ago I described Ti to my ENFP friend (who describes his Ne like a spider web): "Imagine you have to solve one puzzle, but all the pieces are mixed in with the pieces of other puzzles. I simultaneously throw pieces out that I -know- don't go while pulling out pieces I suspect go together and try to begin arranging them. As I go further and further along, I have a bigger picture to work with, and thus am more confident when I throw out pieces and keep pieces, and fit more pieces together. Basically when I'm trying to figure something out, I have no interest (at the time being) for pieces of data I find irrelevant to the problem at hand, and constantly try to fit what pieces of data I think fit together so that I can completely and entirely make sense of something."

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    Oh I might also want to add: I like following train of thoughts until I find some sort of inconsistency, then I'll go back to looking for more information. Using the puzzle analogy, if I notice I have a few pieces on my board that go together, I'll keep putting them together until I dead-end. Once that happens, I'll go back to my draw pile and keep looking until I find another train of thought.

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    I'm actually having trouble describing Ni..... It's like a lucid dream I guess. Day dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC939 View Post
    Oh I might also want to add: I like following train of thoughts until I find some sort of inconsistency, then I'll go back to looking for more information. Using the puzzle analogy, if I notice I have a few pieces on my board that go together, I'll keep putting them together until I dead-end. Once that happens, I'll go back to my draw pile and keep looking until I find another train of thought.


    That reminds me. These Links are probably the best descriptions of cognitive functions I know of. they are great


    Fundamental Nature of the MBTI
    How to Experience Different Function-Attitudes


    btw, what are you holding ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by durentu View Post
    That reminds me. These Links are probably the best descriptions of cognitive functions I know of. they are great


    Fundamental Nature of the MBTI
    How to Experience Different Function-Attitudes


    btw, what are you holding ?
    Nice pages... I bookmarked them almost immediately.

    And I was holding a butterfly. Perdy :P

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    Ok I'm going start an attempt to describe my Fi, and that in itself is a hurdle because Fi makes me very private, going about interactions with people (especially new people) I reveal only what is neccessary about myself. It is almost as if, when I share something personal it becomes less authentic and meaningful, as if I can't do it justice with words. Fi isn't something I'm always concious of, it operates in the background and when I notice it the most is when my usual easy going nature comes screeching to a halt, I know then that something has triggered that underlying system and it's just like a big neon sign flashing "WRONG!". There is just that line that I will not cross and I will be uncharacteristically stubborn about it, I just won't budge. My Fi is most obvious when I came across herd-mentality where people insist on others being a certain way without good reason, that's when I will dig my heals in.

    When everything is right, Fi feels like an underlying sense of wellbeing and peace, it's a source of strength and resolve to do the right thing and be true to myself. It gives me an inner resilience to whatever is going on outside, I think it is powerful in terms of self control.

    My Fi also means that I have an underlying feeling of compassion and a desire for understanding towards people and animals, I naturally want to forgive their bad sides and emphasise the good in all of them. Even with the most horrific criminals before I judge them I want to understand what could drive them to do such things.

    Se is much easier for me to discuss, Se to me is just being absorbed in the physical world, I cherish my senses. I always desire experience, when I see a beautiful sunset I want to just draw every detail in, it's not like I am storing those details, I'm just experiencing them, this means that my desire for sensory experience is pretty much endless. I love the ocean, I love the smell of the salt air, the feel of the sun on my skin, the sight of the beautiful blues, the crashing of the waves, I just want to absorb it all, soak it all in, it's like taking a deep breath of fresh air after holding my breath for a long time. I live in one of the most beautiful places in the world and I cannot describe the euphoria I feel when I see some of the natural wonders we have; a pod of orcas, a mother whale and her calf, a meatball of baitfish being harried by a school of deep green kingfish, these things leave me breathless and wanting more. These things don't even have to be significant, even just absorbing sensory details that others would consider mundane gives me a sense of satisfaction and wellbeing.

    Se gives me a contentedness with the present, it's like on Kungfu Panda; "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present." It's corny I know but that is pretty much my philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by durentu View Post
    That reminds me. These Links are probably the best descriptions of cognitive functions I know of. they are great


    Fundamental Nature of the MBTI
    How to Experience Different Function-Attitudes


    btw, what are you holding ?
    That was pretty informative, and dude can you put on a shirt? I don't see a block pic function anywhere...

    I guess my lucid dream explanation was fairly accurate though, it's really hard to explain something of such an abstract nature.

    In the very end it pretty much says we have no control over how we percieve reality? Our personality is supporting some preexisting matrix. hmmmmm

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    For those interested in Ni I recommend this thread.

    What non NJs think about Ni?

    Read my posts in that thread since they are the one that are trying to describe it. Since a few Ni-doms can relate with my posts I presume that I have managed to get it at least somewhat right. Ni is the most "vague" function so describing it is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC939 View Post
    That is... beyond weird. A few weeks ago I described Ti to my ENFP friend (who describes his Ne like a spider web): "Imagine you have to solve one puzzle, but all the pieces are mixed in with the pieces of other puzzles. I simultaneously throw pieces out that I -know- don't go while pulling out pieces I suspect go together and try to begin arranging them. As I go further and further along, I have a bigger picture to work with, and thus am more confident when I throw out pieces and keep pieces, and fit more pieces together. Basically when I'm trying to figure something out, I have no interest (at the time being) for pieces of data I find irrelevant to the problem at hand, and constantly try to fit what pieces of data I think fit together so that I can completely and entirely make sense of something."
    I think that what you're describing here is Ti-Ni for ISTPs. Cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    I think that what you're describing here is Ti-Ni for ISTPs. Cool!
    Haha, probably right. I was just trying to think of a way to describe what I do most... So I guess I use Ni more than I thought?

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