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    Default How much Ti do you use?

    It looks like a fair number of NFPs end up in the sciences or other technical fields. I found the below scale in a book called "Functions of Type" (which is only 12 bucks and really interesting). I took the below and ended up with as much Ti as Fi, becuase my Fi is kind of clunky. I wondered how other NFPs look in comparison.

    Give yourself a 0 if you never, ever do the item and a 5 if you do it all the time, in your sleep, like breathing. (HINT: I got all fives for the Ne test but tons of zeros on the Fe test.)



    Ti 1: I organize data and ideas into a logical internal framework or sets of categories.
    Ti 2: I seek data to fill holes in my models, frameworks, blueprints and logical taxonomies
    Ti 3: I use my inner understanding of how ideas and things logically fit together to help me understand how things work
    Ti 4: I modify models and frameworks to accommodate new data, thereby preserving inner logical consistency
    Ti 5: I seek precision in my use of words and in my internal models, frameworks, and blueprints
    Ti 6: I logically prioritize categories and components of models in terms of the needs of the situation
    Ti 7: I restructure my priorities based upon my category profiles
    Ti 8: I make decisions based on my category profiles
    Ti 9: I seek logical consistency in my life
    Ti 10: I use precise language to try and get the world to understand logical conceptual models and/or blueprints

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    hehe, really depends on the topic..Ironically I'll score 7 or 8 5's on your list when I'm analyzing feelings..be it mine or someone elses
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    Get over it, you don't use any. You know and use Fi, so that kind of analysis is recognisable to you, then you simulate Ti by seeing connections with Ne.

    To do Ti you have to bypass the already weak and complaining Te. It would hurt your head, and generally speaking you'd seek to avoid it!

    I for example, avoid Ti like the plague it is. I do none of the 10 points barring point 9.

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    Ti 1: (0) I do it on output as a communication tool; my internal thinking doesn't require it.
    Ti 2: (0) I don't work on any of those things, but I do like to fill holes in my understanding and master plans.
    Ti 3: (0) I don't logically fit together ideas, I just get how it works, I logically parse the system to see faults.
    Ti 4: (0) Again it isn't models and frameworks, it's perception and world view. It has to make sense. It doesn't have to be in any set scientific domain.
    Ti 5: (2) Always optimising for perfection, but not of frameworks or words, more communication and perception.
    Ti 6: (5) I'm insanely contextual and subjective
    Ti 7: (0) Categorisation isn't a necessity
    Ti 8: (0) I make decisions based upon my perception of the situation and consequences of what I see (personal or scientific)
    Ti 9: (5) Yes, sense is important.
    Ti 10: (2) Again it depends on the person. Accurate communication rules over accuracy of each word. If I write something up though, I want it to explain perfectly and simply.

    I think a lot of it is an illusion that we do it. I've never adhered strictly to frameworks and such. But I do aim to get a perfect description of the system. Internally I don't do any of the pondering and rigid technical things, but the output often seems like I do because I have a drive to understand, and help myself and the world see things clearly. Even with writing the messages on here, I write them intuitively, then look at what I've written and screen it with Ne Te for errors. I don't Ti check it in my head as I write. It hits the conscious as a full system, then is checked.

    One of the strengths ENFPs have is Fi gets used for psychoanalysis. It is actually a lot more powerful than people give it credit for. If you understand approaches to problems and thinking patterns, you can evolve them and optimise them. And to do it naturally on the fly is quite a gift. Like people can talk about Fi being about feeling good and stuff, and it is about motivations also, but mentally we're like sponges with no set structure. We can absorb, repicate and develop almost anything in the thinking domain. We just have to like it and see a point to it.
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    Hehe, 10 5's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Get over it, you don't use any. You know and use Fi, so that kind of analysis is recognisable to you, then you simulate Ti by seeing connections with Ne.

    To do Ti you have to bypass the already weak and complaining Te. It would hurt your head, and generally speaking you'd seek to avoid it!

    I for example, avoid Ti like the plague it is. I do none of the 10 points barring point 9.


    Maybe it is Fi, but when sorting out my own feelings (once I've dealt with them in a 'feely' way), I analyze, categorize, systematize them as being relevant, valid, considering outside influences, plugging them into what I've learned about myself and how that affects the rest, much like a puzzle you're completing, and then testing it before I accept it to work. I dunno, is that Te and Ne then? I'm not able to do this anywhere else in my life though, I admit.
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    You check for truth, consistency, and integrity. It is pretty different to stepping back and fitting them in logical frameworks. I think it's Ne and Fi driven. Ne because it's interacting with the massive web we call reality, and Fi because of that drive for integrity. It's all about consequences and stuff for me, not rigid logical models of feeling. I develop psychological models for entertainment, but they look nothing like anything you could publish in a science journal. Far more abstract, and more a key to visualisation of the concept rather than a complete system.

    I think this is where our mistake is here. Ti has a reverence to structured, solid, scientific modelling of the system above all else; even the thinking used to approach it is rigidly structured and logical. By comparison, we make a model of the system and like it to be optimised and logically consistent. The two things are worlds apart.
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    Ti 1 : I organize data and ideas into a logical internal framework or sets of categories. 1
    Ti 2 : I seek data to fill holes in my models, frameworks, blueprints and logical taxonomies. 1
    Ti 3: I use my inner understanding of how ideas and things logically fit together to help me understand how things work. 5
    Ti 4: I modify models and frameworks to accommodate new data, thereby preserving inner logical consistency. 5
    Ti 5: I seek precision in my use of words and in my internal models, frameworks, and blueprints. 2
    Ti 6: I logically prioritize categories and components of models in terms of the needs of the situation 2
    Ti 7: I restructure my priorities based upon my category profiles 0
    Ti 8: I make decisions based on my category profiles 2
    Ti 9: I seek logical consistency in my life 4
    Ti 10: I use precise language to try and get the world to understand logical conceptual models and/or blueprints 4 (funny, I'm not as worried with wording in english, but I am in portuguese, my mother tongue)


    I do use Ti quite a lot. After Ne and Fi, there's no doubt it is my strongest function and accounts for many XNTP test results. Fi is much too fundamentally ingrained to be easily beaten though.


    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    You check for truth, consistency, and integrity. It is pretty different to stepping back and fitting them in logical frameworks. I think it's Ne and Fi driven. Ne because it's interacting with the massive web we call reality, and Fi because of that drive for integrity. It's all about consequences and stuff for me, not rigid logical models of feeling. I develop psychological models for entertainment, but they look nothing like anything you could publish in a science journal. Far more abstract, and more a key to visualisation of the concept rather than a complete system.

    I think this is where our mistake is here. Ti has a reverence to structured, solid, scientific modelling of the system above all else; even the thinking used to approach it is rigidly structured and logical. By comparison, we make a model of the system and like it to be optimised and logically consistent. The two things are worlds apart.
    Well, I think the core of it can be pretty subconscious. I sure don't think Fi helps with mathematics or science in general that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I do use Ti quite a lot. After Ne and Fi, there's no doubt it is my strongest function and accounts for many XNTP test results. Fi is much too fundamentally ingrained to be easily beaten though.


    Well, I think the core of it can be pretty subconscious. I sure don't think Fi helps with mathematics or science in general that much.
    I just know I don't have it. My INTP father teaching an ENTP something is a so much more smooth process than him teaching me something. I couldn't care less what frameworks I should be adhering to . Though I'm normally happy later that he beat it in.

    I develop practical solutions quicker, and do many other things quicker, but if I had to make a complete logical framework to describe something without taking shortcuts, without just leaving it at what was needed to see it rather than a full description, I would go nuts in the process.

    One thing MBTi has helped me with is seeing my limitations. I can still create a perfect framework, just not in a Ti sense of working through it carefully and structuring it. I have to visualise the whole system then draw it. And bounce ideas off people to break intuitive deadlocks. It's the strength and the weakness of Ne Te, we kill in the perceptive domain, but we have to move all science problems into it to be good at them. I don't have the internal sit and ponder logical details that the INTP has. I philosophy existence and stuff instead .
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    I just know I don't have it. My INTP father teaching an ENTP something is a so much more smooth process than him teaching me something. I couldn't care less what frameworks I should be adhering to . Though I'm normally happy later that he beat it in.

    I develop practical solutions quicker, and do many other things quicker, but if I had to make a complete logical framework to describe something without taking shortcuts, without just leaving it at what was needed to see it rather than a full description, I would go nuts in the process.

    One thing MBTi has helped me with is seeing my limitations. I can still create a perfect framework, just not in a Ti sense of working through it carefully and structuring it. I have to visualise the whole system then draw it. And bounce ideas off people to break intuitive deadlocks. It's the strength and the weakness of Ne Te, we kill in the perceptive domain, but we have to move all science problems into it to be good at them. I don't have the internal sit and ponder details that the INTP has. I philosophy existence and stuff instead .
    Well I know my Te is pretty limited.

    I do see what you mean, and I do agree that it's not something I could always describe too well...framework sure sounds more like Te then Ti. I see Ti as "if then else" basically Only, in parallel with other cases at the same time and at higher speeds. Checking for consistency. I sure would prefer not to write it all down, but that's because it often just 'clicks' in my mind.

    I know that, if there was a (better) list of every Ti trait, I wouldn't possess them all, but I think I'd relate to most of them to some degree unlike with other functions like Si or Te or Ni.

    The minute we start talking about functions is the minute I'm more than sure a spectrum is needed to consider all cases. There are just too many subtleties, too many people who don't obey to a given type's function order.

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