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  1. #51
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    Well, so far, online:
    ISTJ - Perpetual inane thread generation.
    INTP - Vague open-ended comments that are usually humorous. They may be inconsistent posters that appear and disappear unless the subject is notably interesting to them. Very passive.
    INTJ - Expounds on an area of interest if someone accidentally stumbles over one...like land mines. They might also argue just to ruffle the feathers of types that are easy to ruffle.
    ISTP - Will usually claim to be (or possibly even believe they are) an INTP because they get no respect otherwise, but can't hack the intellectualism and resort to being tin despots and annoying the hell out of the real rationals. How can you tell the difference? ISTPs are on way more than INTPs and the content of their average post will be vacuous chit-chat.
    INFJ - Will try to understand all sides and smooth things out.
    INFP - Makes an effort to be uplifting, and generally has strong views of how things should be to make everyone happy all the time.
    ENTP - Will blather endlessly about their lives and loves, because nobody actually cares in person. They are much funnier in person than they are online.
    ENFP - Bursts in, everyone loves the comments and goes wild, then they disappear. They do the same thing in meatspace.
    ENFJ - Thinks they can smooth things over, but loves to argue with rationals in spite of complete inadequacy for the task. Almost invariably resorts to create straw men in an attempt to fight these much-hated rational opponents.
    ESXX - Almost never post or IM, but you will find them on all the hip social networking sites like MySpace, Livejournal, Xanga, etc.
    ISFX - Obvious because they are completely and hopelessly unable to follow a conversation or logical comment the first time. Expect them to respond with a totally off-the-wall comment about hurt feelings based on a misunderstanding when you were discussing something completely different. They do the exact same thing in person, making communication exceptionally difficult and unrewarding. I avoid them, including my mother.
    ENTJ - Insufficient data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    INTP - Vague open-ended comments that are usually humorous, somewhat inconsistent. Very passive.
    Vague? Precisely how so? Somewhat inconsistent? No! Well, okay, perhaps on occasion. But on second thought, no! Very passive? Not an INTP! Just look at all the great things we hope to accomplish!

    INTJ - Expounds on an area of interest if someone accidentally stumbles over one...like land mines. They might also argue just to ruffle the feathers of types that are easy to ruffle.
    Perhaps someone needs to be engaged in another Food Fight, to relieve those feather-ruffling urges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I wonder if this is an extroverted way of typing. I agree with you. My readings of what type people are are drawn from body movements and how language is used, how people describe things, and responses/reactions in pivotal situations. Typing from work or school is THE WORST way to type people. If you do type, get them out of either setting to see how they really act. I've been shocked by some of my coworker's behavior at happy hour. It's really hard to explain, and something you have to a sizable amount of people to draw consistent conclusions from.
    Yes, the biggest mistakes I made in typing early on is only observing/interacting with them ONLY at work or ONLY at play. My ENTJ friend when I first getting to know him, I typed as INFP because whenever I saw him (after work) he was ALWAYS stoned, buzzed and relaxed. When I saw him visited him at work one day, I was shocked by how wrong I was about him. Some introverts act very extroverted at work and vice versa.

    People that only type by some theoretical framework from the literature often type people wrong because they oversimplify the theory or look at a function instead of the bigger picture. Just because one mostly acts introverted people often infer he can't be an ENTP - when many ENTPs actually are fairly introverted. You have to focus on more the essence that makes them tick, instead of just functions and bullet points on the mbti literature.

    Also, I think some of the type descriptions are subtlely wrong, many descriptions make ISTPs out to blue collar mechanic/plumber daredevils - which is very misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meanlittlechimp View Post
    many descriptions make ISTPs out to blue collar mechanic/plumber daredevils - which is very misleading.
    I disagree, based on observation. But for aberrations that occur with exceptionally high intelligence, ISTPs conform to the archetype.

    Incidentally, what are you saying about the Mario Brothers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recluse View Post
    Vague? Precisely how so? Somewhat inconsistent? No! Well, okay, perhaps on occasion. But on second thought, no! Very passive? Not an INTP! Just look at all the great things we hope to accomplish!
    Sorry, I cleared it up some.
    Vague - They expect you to be bright and intuitive enough to understand what they're talking about, but if you don't, they are mighty confusing.
    Inconsistent - See above. I shouldn't have wrote that so fast and took off. They won't be perpetually around on a site unless they are interested in the subject, and even then they may disappear at any moment without saying anything. INTJs may do this, too, but a lot less than INTPs.
    Passive - I stand by this. Even when on the offense, they're pretty passive, benign, etc. They'll feel things they won't/can't express.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Well, so far, online:
    ISTP - Will usually claim to be (or possibly even believe they are) an INTP because they get no respect otherwise, but can't hack the intellectualism and resort to being tin despots and annoying the hell out of the real rationals. How can you tell the difference? ISTPs are on way more than INTPs and the content of their average post will be vacuous chit-chat.
    Hmmmm... I resemble that remark.

    But these also...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Well, so far, online:
    ISTJ - Perpetual inane thread generation.
    INTP - Vague open-ended comments that are usually humorous. They may be inconsistent posters that appear and disappear unless the subject is notably interesting to them. Very passive.
    INTJ - Expounds on an area of interest if someone accidentally stumbles over one...like land mines. [...]
    [...]
    INFJ - Will try to understand all sides and smooth things out.
    INFP - Makes an effort to be uplifting, and generally has strong views of how things should be to make everyone happy all the time.
    ENTP - Will blather endlessly about their lives and loves, because nobody actually cares in person. They are much funnier in person than they are online.
    [...]

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    I disagree, based on observation. But for aberrations that occur with exceptionally high intelligence, ISTPs conform to the archetype.

    Incidentally, what are you saying about the Mario Brothers?
    I don't think it's an aberration. ISTPs to me aren't daredevils, they might appear that way to Keirsey, because as an INTP, a lot of types seem like daredevils. But when an ESTP, ENTP or some of the other types view ISTPs - daredevil and risktaker is not what come to mind. Compared to the other introverts yes. But that's the problem, reference point.

    Most ISTPs who I get to read their descriptions disagree with the daredevil and risk taking aspect. Also, I would say more engineers are ISTP than INTP, and when an ISTP who is a programmer or electrical engineer reads the description they mistype themselves as an INTP.

    The description of artisans in general as hedonists is another thing that I disagree with. Most ENFPs, and ENTPs I know are more hedonistic than every single ISTP I have ever known or come across.

    The idea of N as smart and theoretical while S is less sophisticated also leads to mistyping. I tend to have more logical and rational discussions with the ISTPs I know, over most ENFJs, ENFPs and even many ENTJs and ENTPs I come across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meanlittlechimp View Post
    The idea of N as smart and theoretical while S is less sophisticated also leads to mistyping. I tend to have more logical and rational discussions with the ISTPs I know, over most ENFJs, ENFPs and even many ENTJs and ENTPs I come across.
    *nod* They really need to strip the intelligence part out of MBTI and such. It confuses people way too much and you need to know a whole hell of a lot behind intelligence views and distributions to make any use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Sorry, I cleared it up some.
    No need to. My post was a joke. (Apparently not a very good one--whoops!) I actually agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recluse View Post
    No need to. My post was a joke. (Apparently not a very good one--whoops!) I actually agree with you.
    I snorted. It was amusing - not as amusing as Wolf taking it seriously, however.

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