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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    I always thought that was because the are...
    You're trying to earn brownie points, aren't you?

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    I wonder if my writing gives away my type... erm... it's very ESFJ, I think (I mean "feel"!)
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Other than that what I look for is strong Ni in a feeler. I think this can look like jumping to wild conclusions, or being able to read someone very effectively. INFJ's also seem to absorb emotions from people. They feel the same things that people close to them feel. Other than that I don't know what I can tell you. I've only known 2 INFJ's so I'm not really sure how strong my patterns are from just the two.
    Well, the observations are descriptive and corroborated by two subjects, one of whom you know quite well. They are helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I wonder if my writing gives away my type... erm... it's very ESFJ, I think (I mean "feel"!)
    Yes, you need to be less bumptious and more solitarily contemplative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    I wonder if my writing gives away my type... erm... it's very ESFJ, I think (I mean "feel"!)
    I'm still annoyed with myself for actually asking you once if you were really ESFJ instead of just chastising you for the subterfuge.

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    well I used to think that you could spot an ENFj by their smile.
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    I don't think there are any easy shortcuts. Read the literature that you can (with a grain of salt); I think some of it is wrong - especially the treatment of ISTPs, INFPs and a few others.

    The best approach for me was having a model of actual people (that you know well) for each type and use them as a sort of blueprint. Obviously, there are going to be individual traits they might posses or not posses to varying degrees but keeping that in mind, I found that the most helpful.

    Before I learned about MBTI, I instictually saw reoccuring patterns with people I met. I would be instantly reminded of other people I knew; when they have similar philosophies on life, sense of humor, and what standards they set for themselves in how they achieve their self esteem. Another one is how they handle stress or adversity - do they sulk, lash out immediately, or make a wisecrack and laugh it off, etc.

    Body language, which isn't mentioned often (which Neidnagel did a lot of work on - who is another ISTJ, incidentally) is very helpful. Certain types have similar movements and gestures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    i have no complaints about this INTJ description. nice job!
    It was a good list, Laser. Very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meanlittlechimp View Post
    I don't think there are any easy shortcuts. Read the literature that you can (with a grain of salt); I think some of it is wrong - especially the treatment of ISTPs, INFPs and a few others.

    The best approach for me was having a model of actual people (that you know well) for each type and use them as a sort of blueprint. Obviously, there are going to be individual traits they might posses or not posses to varying degrees but keeping that in mind, I found that the most helpful.

    Before I learned about MBTI, I instictually saw reoccuring patterns with people I met. I would be instantly reminded of other people I knew; when they have similar philosophies on life, sense of humor, and what standards they set for themselves in how they achieve their self esteem. Another one is how they handle stress or adversity - do they sulk, lash out immediately, or make a wisecrack and laugh it off, etc.

    Body language, which isn't mentioned often (which Neidnagel did a lot of work on - who is another ISTJ, incidentally) is very helpful. Certain types have similar movements and gestures.
    I wonder if this is an extroverted way of typing. I agree with you. My readings of what type people are are drawn from body movements and how language is used, how people describe things, and responses/reactions in pivotal situations. Typing from work or school is THE WORST way to type people. If you do type, get them out of either setting to see how they really act. I've been shocked by some of my coworker's behavior at happy hour. It's really hard to explain, and something you have to a sizable amount of people to draw consistent conclusions from.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    I do not think it is exclusively extroverted to compare people to a template. Essentially I've done the same thing.

    Usually when I meet someone, I analyze after the fact to confirm. (And sometimes I get frustrated trying to rebuild a case here, to justify a reading. Because I didn't analyze to figure it out the first time, I just "saw" it.)

    Anyway, I get a very strong "Big Picture" impression from them in the first few seconds/minutes, and it is partially based on how they resonate with the templates in my internalized "type database."

    I am not sure how well body language works; but I've seen some behaviors that I would attribute to ISFJ-style relating (the internal tug of war between letting someone in and not yet totally trusting the person), and I've also recognized what I would consider to be the ESFP smile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I do not think it is exclusively extroverted to compare people to a template. Essentially I've done the same thing.

    Usually when I meet someone, I analyze after the fact to confirm. (And sometimes I get frustrated trying to rebuild a case here, to justify a reading. Because I didn't analyze to figure it out the first time, I just "saw" it.)

    Anyway, I get a very strong "Big Picture" impression from them in the first few seconds/minutes, and it is partially based on how they resonate with the templates in my internalized "type database."

    I am not sure how well body language works; but I've seen some behaviors that I would attribute to ISFJ-style relating (the internal tug of war between letting someone in and not yet totally trusting the person), and I've also recognized what I would consider to be the ESFP smile.
    I guess what I'm saying is I don't try and fit people into my internal template, I just try to see how many cumulative behaviors they have add up to a specific type. When I start looking for certain type traits, it tends to happen to the exclusion of other traits that may indicate another type. If I get the impression that this person "seems" like an ESTP then I start looking for more evidence to support my general impression, which is hit or miss sometimes.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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