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    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.

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    Wildcat?

    Can the subject then study itself objectively -
    if so, is he then an object?

    Will he never know if is he objective?
    Can he ever delegate objectivity?

    Subjective study, of itself as a subject - Who am I?
    Subjective study, of itself as an object - What am I?
    Objective study, of itself as a subject - Why am I?
    Objective study, of itself as an object - I am.

    Any sense at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    Inherent impossibility of objectivity? Objectivity is still an interpretation....

    Are you discussing perspective? Defining it?
    Still using a needle to break apart a grain of sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    Schroedinger's Wildcat.

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    Copenhagen Convention Effect

    Look v. Reflect

    True Neutrality v. Bias

    Having an opinion means ignoring truth

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    Truth?

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    Is it then that we live to guess?

    wildcat: And here we have The First Prize Question.


    N there we have it.

    Then truth is where two subjects agree to meet.

    So having an opinion does not mean ignoring truth.
    Last edited by proteanmix; 02-25-2008 at 06:53 AM. Reason: merged posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Then truth is where two subjects agree to meet.

    So having an opinion does not mean ignoring truth.
    We're not discussing the same point.

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    Which makes it untrue.
    That's mine.

    But pardon me.

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    had wanted aelan to go first (competitive sisters hehe), but she doesn't seem to be on. so ok, elfie takes a first stab...

    as per my PM answer to wildcat earlier:

    perspective!

    would be even more interesting if you added in 'ive' to subject and object--ie, subjective and objective. hehe.

    ie, once a side (perspective) is chosen, there is no difference between a reflection and a look.

    however, if the object remains an object (ie, objective), then that is a reflection, as it is an opinion taken without passing judgment. while if the subject remains a subject (ie, subjective), that is one who passes judgment.

    hence, the answer is in two things:

    1) it's a matter of perspective, and

    2) the difference is in whether one passes judgment, or not. no judgment = distinction between a subject/look and object/reflection. judgment => no differentiation between a reflection and a look.

    because to reflect is to do so impassively. it is to understand and accept, without judgment. To look is to do so hastily, and to pass a judgment.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Which makes it untrue.
    That's mine.

    But pardon me.
    All truths are untrue.


    Agreement is not verity. Agreement is renunciation.

    No need to pardon.

    Our points agree.

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