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    True. We will always want, need, crave, as human beings.

    But neither wishing nor praying will make something come to us.

    All things in their own time.

    Does that mean we merely survive till that breath of life comes, not daring to believe, but not daring to hope either?

    That is withdrawal. A closing in.

    Or we could choose to live without that expectation of things coming.

    That is acceptance, a moving forward.

    That way, if they do, we'd know for sure they'd came for us, vs. we having forced them, bound them to us by our desires. Forced the tides.

    We can never really own another's heart. It is ours only if it is entrusted willingly. That is Night's "to love and be loved", isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Krishnamurti emphasizes the immense energy required to watch, to accept, to not make a move. How can we reconcile this with the drive, hunger, determination that moves one to acquire material wealth?

    Perhaps we cannot. Perhaps it is a matter of choice. What one wants.

    In Krishnamurti's world, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" is one of love. Craftsmen and artisans, bankers and lawyers, politicians - it is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own love.

    Society and individuals advance on bent backs, on broken backs. No, not spiritually or morally. Materially, scientifically, economically. In this world, Jewish financiers must cease work on the Sabbath.

    Perhaps Krishnamurti's words are never meant for the whole of the human race, but to the willing few. Or tenable to our new-age world. Perhaps "sacrifice" is the message of his teachings. Or perhaps I am still mired, desires and all.
    If you do not move, if you do not strive, if you do not withdraw, you become one with what is. Then you see.
    To see is to know.

    What we call music is distraction. True music is silence between sounds.

    John Kennedy said: You do not need to love your neighbour. Abide by him.
    Invisible hand there, too.

    Jesus said: Love thy neighbour.. as thyself.
    Invisible hand even there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    True. We will always want, need, crave, as human beings.

    But neither wishing nor praying will make something come to us.

    All things in their own time.

    Does that mean we merely survive till that breath of life comes, not daring to believe, but not daring to hope either?

    That is withdrawal. A closing in.

    Or we could choose to live without that expectation of things coming.

    That is acceptance, a moving forward.

    That way, if they do, we'd know for sure they'd came for us, vs. we having forced them, bound them to us by our desires. Forced the tides.

    We can never really own another's heart. It is ours only if it is entrusted willingly. That is Night's "to love and be loved", isn't it.
    True. Expectation is not acceptance.
    Maybe that is why Krishnamurti said hope is suicide.
    Whatever will be, will be.

    Acceptance is courage to live.
    To live is to own nothing.

    To love and be loved is to abide by the tide. Night is wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    True. Expectation is not acceptance.
    Maybe that is why Krishnamurti said hope is suicide.
    Whatever will be, will be.

    Acceptance is courage to live.
    To live is to own nothing.

    To love and be loved is to abide by the tide. Night is wise.
    Hope is suicide... To not hope is difficult.

    The tides. Yes. Hard lesson. One I'm still learning, and relearning.

    Night is wise. Yes. So are you.

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    A beautiful song.

    Thank you Nightie






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    What we call music is distraction. True music is silence between sounds.

    An example, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    What we call music is distraction. True music is silence between sounds.

    An example, please?
    hill an' gully rider
    hill an' gully (4 times)

    day-o
    i'm loadin' de banana boat all night long
    daylight come an' i wanna go home
    hey! i'll pack all my t'ings and i go to see
    daylight come an' i wanna go home

    day o, day-ay-ay-o
    day, he say day, he say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
    walk all night on a drink of rum
    stuck banana til de mornin' come

    come, mr tallyman. tally me banana
    daylight come an i wanna go home
    a beautiful bunch of ripe banana
    hide thee deadly
    black tarantula
    daylight come an' i wanna go home

    it is six foot seven foot eight foot bunch
    daylight come an' i wanna go home
    i'll pack all my t'ings an' i'll go to sea
    den de bananas see de last of me
    hill an' gully rider
    hill an' gully (4 times)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Very wise, Wildcat. Very wise.

    "There was a boy
    A very strange enchanted boy
    They say he wandered very far, very far
    Over land and sea
    A little shy and sad of eye
    But very wise was he.

    And then one day
    A magic day he passed my way
    And while we spoke of many things
    Fools and kings
    This he said to me
    "The greatest thing you'll ever learn
    Is just to love and be loved in return
    ""


    Nat King Cole's Nature Boy given form.


    Very wise, Wildcat - you're something to aspire to.
    That is one of my all time favorite songs. In the top five.

    Hi Wildcat, I am reading here everyday just have nothing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    hill an' gully rider
    hill an' gully (4 times)

    day-o
    i'm loadin' de banana boat all night long
    daylight come an' i wanna go home
    hey! i'll pack all my t'ings and i go to see
    daylight come an' i wanna go home

    day o, day-ay-ay-o
    day, he say day, he say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
    walk all night on a drink of rum
    stuck banana til de mornin' come

    come, mr tallyman. tally me banana
    daylight come an i wanna go home
    a beautiful bunch of ripe banana
    hide thee deadly
    black tarantula
    daylight come an' i wanna go home

    it is six foot seven foot eight foot bunch
    daylight come an' i wanna go home
    i'll pack all my t'ings an' i'll go to sea
    den de bananas see de last of me
    hill an' gully rider
    hill an' gully (4 times)
    Impatience is one my faults, yes.

    I do not know music intimately. But there are compositions where silence does not come in between the sounds at all. One note, then another, until the end - a certain amount of silence.

    Possibilities of note, but which is the note. For now, for the whole.
    Is that how it is meant to be seen? Why this note than that - notes, time, economy of choices, all together in a cadence, a tattoo - and how does it come across, overall? A tapestry, one thread at a time.

    For other music, yes, silence is just another note.

    How then can true music be exclusive to those with silence between sounds?

    But that was not what I asked the last time.

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    *scratches head* Mouse would like some clarification as well... or at least some discussion.

    To me, music is not in the notes. Nor is it in the silence. Rather it lies in the patterns within the notes (sounds). Therefore music cannot be dissected, pulled apart for bit by bit analysis. I guess that's why I dislike the conventional way of piano teaching. To me, the piece of music is a whole. You can have sections... but in the end you have to put everything together in order to understand the meaning. Because everything matters. The ornaments aren't just ornaments for decoration... they provide the needed complexity.

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