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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    the subject may look at the object, but they do not see it, nor do they see themselves reflected in the object, but instead see light.

    truth can be found in the source. in this case, a source of light. all else exists only as a venue for truth to show itself, through only partially.

    simply because i think does not mean i am any more real than that which cannot, that is a false power that those who can think have given themselves. anything which reflects some combination of truths (although none completely) exists. without truth (light) nothing can exist (reflect and be seen)

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    Default ELFIE ! SASHA IS BACK !

    Sasha!
    You came at last!

    We were so worried.
    We waited while we munched popcorn and listened to some strings.
    Adagio in G minor. Good old Remo. You should try that sometime

    Old Wildcat would support a pretender to the throne?
    Naughty. Very naughty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    the subject may look at the object, but they do not see it, nor do they see themselves reflected in the object, but instead see light.

    truth can be found in the source. in this case, a source of light. all else exists only as a venue for truth to show itself, through only partially.

    simply because i think does not mean i am any more real than that which cannot, that is a false power that those who can think have given themselves. anything which reflects some combination of truths (although none completely) exists. without truth (light) nothing can exist (reflect and be seen)
    Light blinds.
    You need shadow to see.
    The object is ahead of the subject.
    What casts the shadow?

    Things exist that cannot be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I wonder if Leechen would appreciate the Disney version of the Grimm tale of The Snow White. You know. Or whatever it is in English.

    The Princess, the Step mother and the Mirror.

    People always look back. To reflect?
    Does the mirror look back?
    The mirror always looks in the front.

    Where do the ends meet?
    At the center?
    On the other side?

    Yes.. there on the other side..
    Where is there?

    There is nothing behind the mirror.
    If two mirrors meet, they fracture into eternity. I think we can be mirrors, ourselves, facing other mirrors. We're all images to each other. We can't look behind ourselves, either, but we can look within if we are self-aware enough. Some of us can focus on the first image of another, most of us lose ourselves in the rest of whichever catches our sight, flickering to another and another unless we regain focus. Even then, it's still our interpretation of that image.

    Why is it bad luck to break mirrors? We no longer have the ability (or the access) to look clearly, we have to peer even harder at the pieces. How many bother though? Who broke them or are they really broken? We just replace the mirror...even if the mirror is our own... Heeeh.

    *hides*

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Light blinds.
    You need shadow to see.
    The object is ahead of the subject.
    What casts the shadow?

    Things exist that cannot be seen.
    if light is truth, then only what has a truth can exist, the most basic truth being to exist.

    that is why i say... the subject may look at the object, but they do not see it, nor do they see themselves reflected in the object, but instead see the reflection of many partial truths.

    light is simply a metaphor, although a fitting one... we need light in day to day life to see things, just as we need truth to understand things. truth is the light of our perception, and those who have very little perceive poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Light blinds.
    You need shadow to see.
    The object is ahead of the subject.
    What casts the shadow?

    Things exist that cannot be seen.
    Truth deceits,
    Humility to see.

    Observation -
    To: categorize as to understand,
    Reduces our vision of the object.

    A necessary evil of our shared perceptual condition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Truth deceits,
    Humility to see.

    Observation -
    To: categorize as to understand,
    Reduces our vision of the object.

    A necessary evil of our shared perceptual condition?
    perhaps to categorise for initial understanding is good; since humans can rarely deal with randomness.

    but the goal thereafter is to surpass the categorisation, and to view it in the light of the whole, perhaps.

    Most do the first by instinct. Few try the second because by then, sadly, they are so caught in the box that they fail to see the space without the box.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    perhaps to categorise for initial understanding is good; since humans can rarely deal with randomness.

    but the goal thereafter is to surpass the categorisation, and to view it in the light of the whole, perhaps.

    Most do the first by instinct. Few try the second because by then, sadly, they are so caught in the box that they fail to see the space without the box.
    Exactly.

    Thinking "outside" of the box is improbable.

    Awareness of its very existence chains us to it.

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    Unless you were not aware of the box in the first place.

    That's how 5w8s can come about, isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Exactly.

    Thinking "outside" of the box is improbable.

    Awareness of its very existence chains us to it.
    My sis beat me to it.

    Improbable, not impossible.
    Nothing's ever impossible.
    Once you've got that, there's no box.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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