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    Quote Originally Posted by developer View Post
    Schroedinger's Wildcat.
    The cat in the box.
    Dead and alive.
    Aren't we all?

    Even then.. do not open the box.
    Illusion is better.
    Does the illusion exist?
    Everything exists that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Ok, understood. And the object cannot think.
    Thought is the response of memory - J. Krishna

    Another thing:
    The point in life is to take care of the young.
    Last edited by wildcat : 10-20-2007 at 03:03 AM.


    Was that in jest?
    True. Do the eyes of memory look forward?
    They look back in the closet.

    Half in jest..
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    Do you still post on INTPc?
    Would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Copenhagen Convention Effect

    Look v. Reflect

    True Neutrality v. Bias

    Having an opinion means ignoring truth
    In the sense you cannot ignore what you see.

    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Do you still post on INTPc?
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    Jesus said some plants do not root because the ground is bad.

    The ground is not bad per se.
    It is good for other kinds of plants.
    Last edited by proteanmix; 02-25-2008 at 06:56 AM. Reason: merged posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Jesus said some plants do not root because the ground is bad.

    The ground is not bad per se.
    It is good for other kinds of plants.
    Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Jesus said some plants do not root because the ground is bad.

    The ground is not bad per se.
    It is good for other kinds of plants.
    Yep. And there's good ground for my wildcat here, all the space, sunlight and water he needs to bloom.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Jesus said some plants do not root because the ground is bad.

    The ground is not bad per se.
    It is good for other kinds of plants.


    And to the OP.

    The self will always be subject to its own perspective. Unless we choose a loci removed from ourselves, i.e. distancing. As humans, we will always be subjective. Even if we choose a school of thought/logic to proceed upon, "to be fair". It would be objective to us, but subjective to those we go against, is it not?

    Then perhaps that we call "objective" is simply the subjective selection of facts which support our own principles, ideals, beliefs. Or sufficient distance from pure subjectivity: though not being subjective, does not make one objective.

    But what are those, but illusions.

    And where's the line between illusion and delusion?

    Merely a subjective one.

    Is dispassionate sympathy and observation truly possible? I'd reckon objectivity can at best, be a perceiving function. Subjectivity can be both perceiving and judging?

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    This thread reminds me of Lee:

    Justificationism

    Criticalism



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    Well said, Wildcat.

    My loss, but thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Well said, Wildcat.

    My loss, but thank you.
    Stick around here, dane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    To look upon reality is to be reminded that you are that-which-perceives-reality-in-this-way. In that manner, the object is a reflection. Yet, as our faculties and form arose in response to reality, we are a reflection as well.

    Two Zen koans:

    ~Two mirrors facing each other. There is no image in between.
    ~The eye cannot see itself.

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