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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    All truths are untrue.


    Agreement is not verity. Agreement is renunciation.

    No need to pardon.

    Our points agree.
    .
    not really. agreement may simply be 'i'm choosing this side!'.

    but yes. agreement is not verity. majority does not always make right.

    and yes. no need to pardon. test your ideas! that's what mbtic is for.

    PS: and dammit, night, i still think your death smiley avatar is cute. Gotta work on Fe...gotta work on Fe.... *sigh*
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    not really. agreement may simply be 'i'm choosing this side!'.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Exactly.
    *in Squirt's voice* totallyyyyy.....

    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Yet you said we were not discussing the same point.
    That is, our disagreement lies in the use of "truth" and now, "agreement"?
    Or have I missed your point completely.

    Agreement, renunciation and truth.
    Reflection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Yet you said we were not discussing the same point.
    That is, our disagreement lies in the use of "truth" and now, "agreement"?
    Or have I missed your point completely.
    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    My name is Legion, for we are many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The subject looks upon the object.
    Does the object look upon the subject?
    The object reflects upon the subject.

    The object does not look.
    The subject does not reflect.

    Is the reflection differentiated from the look?

    Only if you choose a side.
    For many years people thought that the moon produced it's own light instead of reflecting that of the sun. A lot depends on what you know and where you stand
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    I believe quantum physics dictates that both are altered by observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dane View Post
    Wildcat?

    Can the subject then study itself objectively -
    if so, is he then an object?

    Will he never know if is he objective?
    Can he ever delegate objectivity?

    Subjective study, of itself as a subject - Who am I?
    Subjective study, of itself as an object - What am I?
    Objective study, of itself as a subject - Why am I?
    Objective study, of itself as an object - I am.

    Any sense at all?
    Very good..
    with a little reservation

    Does the railway station of Budapest say I am?
    No?
    Why?
    The railway station does not think.
    I think therefore I am.
    Am I?

    Who is the railway station of Budapest?
    A creation of man.
    Who is I?

    Objective study, of itself as an object: Who is this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FallsPioneer View Post
    Inherent impossibility of objectivity? Objectivity is still an interpretation....

    Are you discussing perspective? Defining it?
    Splendid.. and the detachment is the perspective.

    To see through the I is to see.
    Nothing sees through itself.
    Last edited by proteanmix; 02-25-2008 at 06:53 AM. Reason: merged posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Very good..
    with a little reservation

    Does the railway station of Budapest say I am?
    No?
    Why?
    The railway station does not think.
    I think therefore I am.
    Am I?

    Who is the railway station of Budapest?
    A creation of man.
    Who is I?

    Objective study, of itself as an object: Who is this guy?

    Ok, understood. And the object cannot think.
    Thought is the response of memory - J. Krishna

    Another thing:
    The point in life is to take care of the young.
    Last edited by wildcat : 10-20-2007 at 03:03 AM.


    Was that in jest?

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