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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Wildcat should have known it is a holiday there!
    Glad that you had time off with elfie!

    With a drunken friend the best thing is to get a cabbie. But that may be hard at four in the morning..

    Thanks for the song! A duet is perfect!

    I was also one of those suits
    It is ok, I always forget timezones and things.

    hehehehehee. Siiiiisssterrrr... wildcat would dearly love to hear us play a duet.... *psst, wildcat, will record it for you when we're back!*



    Yaps. Suit has its good and bad. Being the suits allows you the income to stagger home drunk, and find a cab at that hour in London too.

    I was with friends, and we didn't stay too far away, I think we walked back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Yes wildcat... I see what you mean. I left though... quit simply. No more piano. That's not important to this discussion though.


    Like they say thoughts flow? Hmmmm... I have the radio on... listening to music and trying to imagine what will happen if there's no rests (pauses). It'll be meaningless. Because then everything will sound exactly the same.

    Tempo rubato... robbed time. The placement of the pauses... dragging out phrases, shortening others. Like a well delivered speech. Pause for effect! I get it now. Many left-handed musicians indeed.

    Question... do they punctuate correctly? or do they know the rules well enough to break them?

    It's like how rubato cannot be taught. Trying to "time it" within strict time makes it sound artificial... stilted. Does that apply to speech and punctuations?
    tempo rubato! yes, an interesting concept.
    Not that I knew anything about it.. I checked in the wiki.

    They mentioned Chopin.. who played with the rules in one hand while employing the rubato with another. Incredible!

    Thank you nightning, for this new concept! You have enriched ol' wildcat's world.

    And you say it exactly! Rubato cannot be taught!
    I think it is the thing Arthur Rubinstein called "cheating"..
    He confessed he had cheated all his life.
    He hated to run through the scales.. over and over..

    And when he performed, he could not master the scales anywhere near perfection.
    I think he played rubato.. only the genius can cheat succesfully.

    They say if you alter the time you have to even out in succession..
    Nope. The genius player does not have to even anything.

    The rules are to be broken, as you say.

    They know the rules.. but because they do not bother to run through the scales in preparation, they do not have a hand in them.

    It does not matter. Because they know the rules they can break them.
    It is called virtuosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Yes. I am left handed, too.

    It depends what you mean by punctuation.
    Is this punctuation:

    A left handed person stands on the platform in front of the railway station (excuse me Xander!) and watches the train arrive. It is a local train, it comes quickly. There is a lot of people on the platform, it is the rush hour.
    The train has sixteen carriages and each carriage has got three pairs of doors.
    She wants to enter the seventh carriage seen from the locomotive and chooses the set of doors that is closest to it. People enter through the right side of the door.
    When the train approaches she leisurely starts walking.
    With one glance she has to determine the exact speed of the train to be able to decide when to start walking, and to be able to decide her speed of walking. Everything happens very fast. When the train stops she is in the right place at the right time. And of course she is the first person to enter the train. There is nobody around!

    In essence, that kind of skill is punctuation, is it not?
    It is about to be able to take the right action in the right direction in the right time.

    The correlation figure I do not think can be said. It depends on factors involved such as the degree of laterality, age, impatience etc.

    Acting, speaking, playing an instrument, singing, moving in front of a camera, tennis, ballet..
    I certainly have sometimes this kind of skill when waiting at the underground, though only when I'm not extremely sleepy (which is my usual situation).
    So, if I understand well, you believe that left-handed people:
    Either, due to be a relative minority, they are usually more comfortable with a direction different than the vast majority of other people, so when a left-handed person chooses a side, this is usually the opposite than what the other people choose, thus they have more space and comfort in their choices.
    Or that a left-handed person's brain functions in a more exact way that the average right-handed person's brain?
    I've heard the second proposition quite often and I tend to disagree with it. Though the first one is usually the case for me, I'll typically choose to sit against the wall on my right, enter through a door by the right side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    I'll record something when I get home for you, a song for a wildcat. It'll be poor playing, but it'll be for you. Perhaps a duet with elfie, if she will
    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    hehehehehee. Siiiiisssterrrr... wildcat would dearly love to hear us play a duet.... *psst, wildcat, will record it for you when we're back!*

    ENTPs. you can never win them. they know your exact soft spot to hit.

    yea ok. Shall record a duet for you when we get back. As with us in real life, i being moonlight, she being sunlight, i hold the constancy of the bass line, she holds the brightness of the running melody. You need both to make a song sing.

    psst. she always gets the melody to play...predominantly because she can never keep time.

    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    I certainly have sometimes this kind of skill when waiting at the underground, though only when I'm not extremely sleepy (which is my usual situation).
    So, if I understand well, you believe that left-handed people:
    Either, due to be a relative minority, they are usually more comfortable with a direction different than the vast majority of other people, so when a left-handed person chooses a side, this is usually the opposite than what the other people choose, thus they have more space and comfort in their choices.
    Or that a left-handed person's brain functions in a more exact way that the average right-handed person's brain?
    I've heard the second proposition quite often and I tend to disagree with it. Though the first one is usually the case for me, I'll typically choose to sit against the wall on my right, enter through a door by the right side.
    It is not about right handedness or about left handedness.
    Laterality is a lot more complex.

    I used the phenomena as an illustration only.
    There is a correlation.
    A figure if you please.

    Yes.. Opposite of what other people choose.. to avoid the throng.. is a part of the deal.
    This is the motive.

    The skill is the intuitive mathematical spatial ability.
    I knew you have it. Even if half asleep you are a lot better in it.. than the majority of the people could ever be..

    I see you waiting the tranie at your underground station, half asleep.
    You walk leisurely along the approaching train. When it stops you are one of the first people to enter.
    There is no one in the vicinity.
    You are never hasty.
    You always find a seat.

    It is not about exactitude.
    Nor it is about left handedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    psst. she always gets the melody to play...predominantly because she can never keep time.

    *meh*.

    I do keep time. Just not your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    *meh*.

    I do keep time. Just not your time.
    Aelan's on tempo rubato

    Duet would be nice. *nods head*

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    I do not know music intimately.
    But something without silence in between - YouTube - Schindler's list

    not the whole piece. a fragment would suffice. the 15th to 25th second, when the violin first speaks, then draw breath.

    Is there silence in between? Silence - no notes. a nothingness, as defined in that slimmest slice of time discernible. (can music exist without time? i am confused. you need time to give an order, a structure? like a blank canvas on which you can draw)

    silence as a 0. x as a note.
    0-x-x-x-x-x-x-0-x-x-x-x-0 etc.
    and time.

    0 is as much of a note as x in that sense?

    but in 10-25sec its a permutation of Xs. different Xs, as in different notes.
    x1-x2-x3.
    No silence, but plenty of inflections.

    The inflections of notes. Is that music?

    if churchill had a wheeze everytime he pauses to breathe. and because he cannot stop breathing, there can be no silence.
    "blah-blah-blah-great-speechwhezeeeeblah-blah-blah-great-speechwheeeeeezeblah-blah-blah"
    no silence, but inflections. does that make him less of an orator?

    So the truly great pieces need not have silence. Just movement.
    A protracted note - viscous as silence.
    Protracted silence - viscous as a note.
    Movement - the dance of light feet, flight of patterns. Beauty taking form.
    One cannot see in absolute light or darkness. Beauty takes the form of shadows.
    Chain the inflections, and one has a picture.



    Why is time or music not a flow?
    Edit: because, of that slimmest slice of time, discernible?!

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    Ok bad example. He can hold his breath. But you get my point.

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    A lesson in form.

    Hear the notes that aren't being played; the rhythms that abrupt into soft repetition as a result.

    One of my absolute favorites.

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