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    Quote Originally Posted by lukin4intellect View Post
    so Ive been thinking about this, and the J is a very extroverted trait whereas P is a very internal thing. Is this true? if so, there's probably very few IJ's and EP's right? meaning it goes against an I's nature to be a J and an E's nature to be a P.

    what do you think?
    Not at all. In fact IJ's can be very introverted, and EP's are arguably the most extroverted types. And ISFJ is the LEADING type among females, ISTJ among males. Look at the stats which Speed Gavroche provided.

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    btw, Jung called ExxP and IxxJ the "irrational" types because they lead with a perceiving function.

    It may seem odd that IxxJ types lead with a Perceiving process, but that's because their Judgment is still directed externally/Perception internally, and this is what makes them Js.

    Introverts are interesting, though, because they lead with a function that is opposite of the J/P at the end of their type.

    Jung says that ExxJ and IxxP are the "rational" types, because they lead with a Judging function.

    (He did not, by the way, mean this in a negative light. Jung typed himself as Ni+Te, or INTJ in MBTI terms.)
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    Types are general. It wouldn't make sense if there were huge differences. E/I is independent, N is often more intelligent than S, F/T translates like female/male, and J/P is independent as well.

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    I am confused by your comment in the OP.

    Why is J an extroverted trait? And P an introverted one?

    Judgments can be made both externally and internally. Similarly perception occurs both for the external environment and within yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    E/I is independent
    J/P is independent as well.
    What do you mean by independent?

    N is often more intelligent than S
    This is so untrue on so many levels...

    F/T translates like female/male
    No not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Funny thought hit me... EPs have more in common with each other than they have with others in their subgroups.

    If you look at ESFP, ESTP, ENTP and ENFP they all seem to share common characteristics that define their very beings.

    - Happy-go-lucky.
    - Inspiring, in the sense that they make people do stupid shit because it is funny.
    - Odd way of thinking, for sure.
    - Party animals?
    - ...Brief sexual relations?
    - ...Tremendously great sex? At least the ones I've been with.
    - Authority problems
    - Easily bored
    - Would rather go skydiving or bungeejumping than staying at home, even if they're lying on their death bed
    - Causes general chaos
    - Stirs up problems, just because it is fun to watch people go nuts
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    Please don't forget that ESTPs are the best looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Four simple steps, let's say you're ESFJ:

    1) Middle two letters SF tell us your best two processes are forms of Sensing and Feeling.
    2) J at the end tells us you direct the Judging process externally, so we know you use Fe.
    3) By process of elimination your other best process much be Si.
    4) E at the beginning tells us the extroverted function gets more time than the introverted one, thus you tend to appear very Fe-dominant to others. Thus you are Fe dominant and Si auxiliary, or Fe+Si. (An ISFJ would use the same functions but give more weight to Si, making him Si+Fe. He still appears outwardly organized, but spends more time in quiet reflection on Si than ESFJ.)
    Thank you ... that is one of the best explanations of this that I've seen so far. It was always somewhat of a mystery to me.

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    Don't we have threads that give definitions for MBTI newbies? It just seems some of the things said in this thread are stated in the beginning of a lot of the books. I mean, if we don't, I wouldn't mind doing it with the help of some others. No offense to the posters, it'd just help with some thread clutter.


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    Good posts all, & good info.

    I was missing the piece about Js juding themselves and P's perceving outwardly. But I guess my experience has also been with J's judging others (why would you judge yourself) and P's just keeping things to themseleves.

    I have so many of these "patterns" I have observed over time ... yeah they're not backed up by research (I only work at Microsoft not own it ).

    Maybe I'll write a book on these some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    Don't we have threads that give definitions for MBTI newbies? It just seems some of the things said in this thread are stated in the beginning of a lot of the books. I mean, if we don't, I wouldn't mind doing it with the help of some others. No offense to the posters, it'd just help with some thread clutter.
    Boo, who cares about organizing the external environment?

    Thread clutter ftw!
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