P's advantages?

[Scott N Denver]

The advantage of P's that we live in the moment. Situations that constantly evolving, require improvisation, or require situational responses to are where we excel. A certified MBTI evaluator, or whatever you call that, put it this way "P's excel in crises!" J's tend to have plans, and often don't deal well with those plans going off whack. That doesn't bother us! Also, think like childcare where you have to follow your children wherever the go/do, and respond appropriately as needed. Also think response personnel, for example EMT's. Also, being in the experience of what your doing, think actor or a person on a stage, or a comedian. To an extent, things where you need to deal with people, maybe not receptionist per se, but how about medical attendant, or someone that uses medical equipment. "Bob Jones need a CAT scan, NOW" kinda stuff.

Outside of work, think people people enjoy being around. I read, in one of the Kroeger and Thusen books I believe, that if you wanna have a party, invite as many E, F, and P's as you can!

 

[garbage]

While such situations will (and do) inevitably arise, can you not also agree that, as the ability to predict events before they occur increases, the amount of situations in which immediate adaptability is necessary decreases?

Definitely. But then stuff like this always arises unexpectedly:

Of course, as an added note, as we come to rely more and more upon technology, a technological crash becomes all the more devastating. In the event of such a crash, it is true that only those capable of adaptation would survive.

It's human nature. It's not bound to change anytime soon.


So, I completely agree.

 

[Lauren Ashley]

Where are people getting this idea that Js break down when something happens that wasn't part of their plan? That's when I do my best thinking.

 

[Lexicon]

Where are people getting this idea that Js break down when something happens that wasn't part of their plan? That's when I do my best thinking.

I work really well under pressure [more often than not].
Any planning I make is 'tentative,' generally. I know things can't go 100% according to how it's been mapped out in my weird head. What planning I have done, concretely or just in thought alone helps me feel prepared for the things I was unable to forsee. If that makes sense.

Perhaps it's got to do with how far you might be on the "J" end of the spectrum as well. I tend to test about 75% J. I think that 25% flexibility, so to speak, may keep me from being a more 'rigid' sort of J.

Honestly, the only J-types I've found to panic, and seem slowest to recover/resolve whatever unforseeable issues there are at hand, are xSFJ types. It seems like all you can do is let them panic and try to maintain some sense of damage control.. until they resolve it on their own to some extent. Even if the problem can be fixed in a few simple moves, sometimes you just have to let them freak out anyway. :rolli:

 

[Virtual ghost]

Where are people getting this idea that Js break down when something happens that wasn't part of their plan? That's when I do my best thinking.

I work really well under pressure [more often than not].
Any planning I make is 'tentative,' generally. I know things can't go 100% according to how it's been mapped out in my weird head. What planning I have done, concretely or just in thought alone helps me feel prepared for the things I was unable to forsee. If that makes sense.

Perhaps it's got to do with how far you might be on the "J" end of the spectrum as well. I tend to test about 75% J. I think that 25% flexibility, so to speak, may keep me from being a more 'rigid' sort of J.

Honestly, the only J-types I've found to panic, and seem slowest to recover/resolve whatever unforseeable issues there are at hand, are xSFJ types. It seems like all you can do is let them panic and try to maintain some sense of damage control.. until they resolve it on their own to some extent. Even if the problem can be fixed in a few simple moves, sometimes you just have to let them freak out anyway. :rolli:

My opinion is that N changes a nature of J quite a bit. What means that your J is much less rigid/concrete then J of SJs. Which is simply because we percive informations differently. Plus STJs have T to protec tjem a little.

While SFJs don't have any protection. On the other hand Fe probably creates more drama then there actually is in their heads.

 

[Lauren Ashley]

My theory is that N changes a nature of J quite a bit.

I was just about to give a reply of this nature. N corrodes J. I'm actually at the high end of J (around 80 percent), but even higher in N. I don't make many external plans anyway, it's all mental. The main way I experience my J is regarding closure on issues. However, even then I think "but then there's this..."

 

[Lexicon]

I was just about to give a reply of this nature. N corrodes J. I'm actually at the high end of J (around 80 percent), but even higher in N. I don't make much external plans anyway, it's all mental. The main way I experience my J is regarding closure on issues.

I'm usually around 90 on Ni.
As I said, I'm quite general on external plans.
Closure is HUGE for me.
I think some of the 'mental' planning that INFJs tend to make.. and often not overtly share with others, may make us seem random/illogical at times, or that we're doing someting 'out-of-character.' It's difficult for me to explain this to my more surprised/concerned friends sometimes..


My ISFJ mom.. & an ISFJ friend of mine have the tendency to make detailed 'itineraries' for whatever plans they make. Even simple plans to rent a movie can become this incredibly detailed undertaking. And they ENJOY it.

It's kinda cute. I guess.

 

[garbage]

Where are people getting this idea that Js break down when something happens that wasn't part of their plan?

From the same place that the idea that a P can't plan comes from.. the world of stereotypes.

That is, the world that we're usually talking about on this forum.

 

[Lauren Ashley]

I'm usually around 90 on Ni.

Ditto. Do I have another think-a-like on this forum...?

My ISFJ mom.. & an ISFJ friend of mine have the tendency to make detailed 'itineraries' for whatever plans they make. Even simple plans to rent a movie can become this incredibly detailed undertaking. And they ENJOY it.

It's kinda cute. I guess.

Yeah, I somewhat wish I could be more organized. I'm good with details, but I'd probably forget or lose an itinerary if I were to make one

 

[Synapse]

suppose being perceptive I can see different perspectives without assigning value to them, if that's a good quality then sure.

I get to be aware of all my flaws, at least in that way perception gives me an awareness to understand whats happening with different viewpoints towards empathy of a situation.

 

[Moiety]

Keeping things open without dying of a stroke in the process.

 

[Lady_X]

...what do you think is there any advantage in being a P, ... except being more fun, spontaneous, easy-going and open-minded (I know those are real advantages but EXCEPT that!)... because when it comes to keeping job, not living in complete mess and clutter, have ANY plan and stick to it- it sounds like Js have much more advantages, and those are important stuff in todays world.
I know P can achieve much if is interested, but what about stuff we don't like so much but they are still a must.
The fact that I'm an ENFP and I dislike routine, any authority, any rules, social norms and so, doesn't stop the whole world functioning as it is so I still have to do it.
Is P sometimes (when strong) pure unresposibility in a bad way, lack of maturity?

we are great at coming up with quick solutions under pressure.

we can work in chaotic environments because we don't need structure in the same way as a j.

i am certain that we have a whole lot less stress.

and...i'll think of more in a sec.

 

[Asterion]

Perhaps it's more so that Ps seek/prefer more chaotic environments. MBTI is not directly related to the ability of any individual, I know this is a huge cliche, but if you put your mind to it, you can do anything. However, given that Ps seek flexibility, They are more likely to have more experience in handling tasks of an unpredictable nature.

 

[garbage]

Oh, yeah.. and juggling about a billion projects at once. That's kind of cool, too.

 

[entropie]

And besides all of the earlier stated things: P-ness just sounds way cooler than J-ness

 

[thisGuy]

-juggling multiple things in life
-go with the flow
-gimme a few peeps and a timer that tells me that the earth is gonna explode at 12 tonight, and see how i change technological evolutions into a revolution
-make the most of what you got

 

[Chloe]

There is a huge variety of opportunities to be creative, when you walk down the street, you could do it backwards just to see what happens. You don't know what could possibly come about from doing that, you might be caught by a secret camera and end up on the news. I admit, the opportunity doesn't come along very often, but it's just like going to the casino, or placing bets on horses or whatever animal suits your fancy.

You are missing the point of the thread

1. I don't have time to walk backwards in street
2. I really don't want to be in news

and why I don't want / don't have time to do that is because I live in society where time is money, and J is wanted. So I know how to be P without fitting in, but problem is how to succeed in Js careers as P, because you need to be J before you have oportunity to be P.
In medicine example, I must study for yrs before I got oportunity to be creative. But okay, I didn't pick good career, but from some reason I'm sticking to it, so maybe I'll find my p-way in it. If I go off the internet NOW and open some book.

I'm finding this hard to actually explain... alright, say you go to a casino with a J friend, they decided to keep their well earned cash and stick with what they find to be familiar, you decide that you want to risk it all, so you risk, risk away. At the end of the night, you could have more money, or less money than your J counterpart, but in the long run your winnings and losings balance out, you've both likely arrived at the same place, you just traversed upon a different path.

You can risk like that when you're 20 and don't have any obligations. But I'm thinking of future, and when you're over 30, ...you will (probably) have too much obligations to risk money and stuff, because, again - life is more J today.

It seems like idealism is just a deluded version of optimism though...

Yep, that's why I said idealism, it's deluded.

In practice, sometimes it seems like the only real advantage is in not pissing off other Ps.

Lol, probably. And you're kinda of relaxation to other Js who "use" you for fun and then go back to their's plans

And, unfortunately, most Perceivers spend their time operating within the confines of society, doing jobs fit for more routine-oriented individuals (such as Judgers).

Welcome to the world of "Become a J, or go away."

Yeah, true.

I can also rightly say that I've done rocket science and became bored of it

Lol, well... I kinda can relate to that.

we are great at coming up with quick solutions under pressure.

we can work in chaotic environments because we don't need structure in the same way as a j.

i am certain that we have a whole lot less stress.

well, it's true but enviorment is mostly J... and stress? well I have huge amount of stress because smallest requirments of J are too much for me.

 

[Nighthawk]

Yeah, like I said, it does depend on the work. Like you said, Ps would be better at artistic/creative pursuits. But overall in this world, the desk/office/corporate/brute force jobs which Js are better at far outnumber the creative/artistic/performing/spontaneous jobs that Ps would be better at.

Yeah, funny thing is I can do the boring work which most other people don't like. I don't care how boring it is, if it's not an interactive job, then I can do it all day and I'll do a good job.

I've run into this wall several times during my careers. I do great with creative or non-repetitive aspects of a job ... but repetition gets to me and wears me down, especially when it is a mundane type of task. Fortunately, I've found a career in software engineering that offers a pretty diverse set of problems to be solved ... and I can automate much of the repetition. Still, the J does come in very handy and I'm glad I cultivated some J skills in the military. They don't come naturally, but they are very helpful nonetheless. For the really mundane tasks however, I have ritalin.

 

[Chloe]

And besides all of the earlier stated things: P-ness just sounds way cooler than J-ness

that's why you switched back to Pness?

so your Pness is more appealing to you than being a good match with your infj girlfriend ? Fair enough!

 

[mortabunt]

The issue with spontaneous adaptability is that, in today's society, it is becoming increasingly less necessary.

And, unfortunately, most Perceivers spend their time operating within the confines of society, doing jobs fit for more routine-oriented individuals (such as Judgers).

Welcome to the world of "Become a J, or go away."

Morel ike J OR DIE!