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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    My mind actually works the same way. Though I feel I have considerable experience with applied MBTI by now, I nevertheless have a hard time coming up with these word pairs off the top of my head. The discriminatory nuances tend to only come to my mind when pondering a specific person's type. For instance, I came up with Ne springy vs. Ni dogged and Te no-nonsense vs. Ti academic when I was trying to crystallize my conviction that Ivy is an Ne and Te user rather than an Ni and Ti user.

    But I realize this is probably a Te way of going about it...
    Oh! So your point was about whether the PERSON in question has experience using the system and has had their theories reinforced by experience, not about whether the information they used to come up with the distinction is based on experientially-derived understanding rather than a theoretically-derived understanding.

    I'd actually say our miscommunication was a good example of Ti vs. Te. I interpreted "experience" to have a very precise meaning referring to inherent qualities in the idea itself, while you were using "experience" to refer to a general category regarding the activity of the person putting forth the idea.

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    I really like this thread! This is a placeholder: I will post more later...

    Ne vs Ni

    Foghorn vs. Funnel
    Explosion vs. Colligation

    Possibilites vs. Single (far reaching) Possibility + Contengencies
    (Focus on Variegated Ribbons Tied to a Kitestring vs. The Kite Itself, ribbons considered.)


    What the Future could be vs. How The Present becomes the Future.
    Considering Ideas that fall under a single concept vs. Focus on the Concept in which ideas are similar.

    Te vs. Ti

    Does this work? vs. How does this work?
    Accomplishment vs. Contemplation

    (Ignoring all that is not necessary to achieve a given purpose vs. considering all aspects of the whole.)

    Se vs. Si
    Establishing symbols vs. Recognizing established symbols.
    Experience vs. Place in group

    Fe vs. Fi

    Plagiarizing vs. Trailblazing

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    "Eternal Love also created me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Oh! So your point was about whether the PERSON in question has experience using the system and has had their theories reinforced by experience, not about whether the information they used to come up with the distinction is based on experientially-derived understanding rather than a theoretically-derived understanding.

    I'd actually say our miscommunication was a good example of Ti vs. Te. I interpreted "experience" to have a very precise meaning referring to inherent qualities in the idea itself, while you were using "experience" to refer to a general category regarding the activity of the person putting forth the idea.
    I hate to disillusion you, Athenian, but I'm afraid you're actually giving me credit for too much Ti use by assuming that I must have had some precise definition in mind. I think my own definition was muddled to begin with, but now that you have provided clarity (Blackwater, did you say Te organizing vs. Ti piercing?) I am going to subscribe to the definition your quoted post above starts out with.

    Kudos and thanks for helping me clear this up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I have to disillusion you, Athenian, but I'm afraid you're actually giving me credit for too much Ti use by assuming that I must have had some precise definition in mind. I think my own definition was muddled to begin with, but now that you have provided clarity (Blackwater, did you say Te organizing vs. Ti piercing?) I am going to subscribe to the definition your quoted post above starts out with.

    Kudos and thanks for helping me clear this up!
    Oh. That actually explains a lot. You're welcome.

    I guess I unconsciously felt that "experience" would have essentially been a way of saying that only Sensors (and Intuitives with a strong S) that had used the system before were allowed to contribute to your thread, especially since you contrasted it with "theorizing." Intuitives tend to orient to reality via a theoretical structure that explains reality rather than raw experiential data regardless of what they've literally experienced, so the only Intuitives that could contribute would be the ones with a strong S who could completely throw away their mental/theoretical framework and re-process the categories only in terms of raw data. Which is next to impossible for most Ns, especially since they often have poor memories of detail (I actually have a decent one, but it's all episodic, unconscious, and unsorted information that only surfaces in the presence of a similar stimulus, because all the information I consciously judge gets transformed into an abstraction). You unwittingly phrased it in a way that showed disdain for the way Intuitive types process reality. I probably could have resorted all the information in that way if I had really wanted to, but it would have taken me hours (maybe days), been extremely draining and frustrating, and likely produced far less useful and accurate results than my normal way of processing reality. It would have been like what I felt pressured to do all the time in that horrible Algebra 2 class all over again. I still hate math to this day because of that class, and one back in Elementary school.

    Come to think of it, your past use of this term, along with a couple of other things, might be one of the main reasons people have accused you of being an ESTJ. I saw the same possibilility when you've done this before, but thought it didn't fit with the rest of your behavior and views on life, especially in contexts other than the one they were using to support their standpoint. Their other evidence mostly seemed to point to what I would call incidences of ESxP shadow behavior with Te mixed in rather than anything else, if I recall correctly. When I pointed this out, they basically resorted to invoking Occam's razor, which I've always thought was extremely lazy reasoning.

    Ah, sorry about continuing the derail. I just wanted to share my final thoughts. Ni+Ti can be very prolix and meandering, as you see.

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