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I don't know how threadworthy this is, but this has been bothering me for a while.

I had a teacher last semester teaching us percussion. It was cymbal day. Before we even put the two together, we already had a parameter: play on the right beat. I thought, 'why?' I need to learn the motion of the crash, the grip, the follow through, and the mute ontop of that. What an unnecessary and preoccupying rule.

Don't I need to explore the instrument first?

Is it just me, or is this a huge educational blunder?
 

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I don't know if it's being J or whatever, but I will say, when it comes to education I think giving a certain degree of freedom to the student is paramount. And fostering some open-mindedness too.
 

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hm well he's ENTJ, and works for a drum corps, which is like J central. I mean, I figure P's are more exploratory so...
 

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Interesting...I am an INFJ teacher. I teach kindergarten and ESL to 5 and 6 year olds. I suppose your teacher could have been thinking that giving you a parameter would make you feel safe with the instrument (by giving you a routine that you could obviously perform?) However, I am big on educational theory and research and they both advocate hands-on learning and inquiry learning. I try to strike a good balance of both discovery learning and structure with my students. If they were older (like middle/high school age) I would definitely give them the type test each year before I started planning instruction.
I'm sorry that you felt frustrated in your class! I agree that it can be liberating to explore first.
 

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I don't think that's J as much as it is just bad teaching. Obviously you should learn the TECHNIQUE before you do the rhythm. I'm a percussionist, and I know that cymbal technique can be tricky, so unless he wants you to play cymbals like a monkey, starting with rhythm is a bad, bad plan.

A lot of J teachers would never do stuff like this. I doubt that it's type-related.
 

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I don't know if it's being J or whatever, but I will say, when it comes to education I think giving a certain degree of freedom to the student is paramount. And fostering some open-mindedness too.

Second that. Teachers who dont know that shall prepare for entp pupils (what does pupil mean in american english btw ?)
 

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While we're on it, what's with the whole idea of musical objectives? I couldn't think of a greater oxymoron.
 

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Second that. Teachers who dont know that shall prepare for entp pupils (what does pupil mean in american english btw ?)

In regards to American English, pupil can be (and often is) used as a synonym for student, though it also refers (perhaps more commonly) to the central point of the eye, into which light enters.
 

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I don't know if it's being J or whatever, but I will say, when it comes to education I think giving a certain degree of freedom to the student is paramount. And fostering some open-mindedness too.

I think it kind of depends on the subject. Teaching something like advanced logic or syntax is bound to create complete madness and frustration if a non-J approach is taken on the part of the instructor. Freedom = confusion in situations like this.
 

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I think it kind of depends on the subject. Teaching something like advanced logic or syntax is bound to create complete madness and frustration if a non-J approach is taken on the part of the instructor. Freedom = confusion in situations like this.

I had an ESTP mathematician. She had somewhat playful approach during explanations, by that I mean she was giving stupid names to stuff so it was supposed to be remembered more easily, and basically she was "all-the-fun" in an ESTP obtrusive way. But she had that ESTP directiveness underneath, too. In conclusion, she could give you explanations and stuff in simplified and pragmatic way, so even "the less gifted" students could understand if they paid attention... otoh the explanations were somewhat shallow in theory so you didn't get the needed big picture and stuff, if you were, say, N. FWIW I liked the ISTJ lady-in-best-years mathematician with the "I don't give a fuck" attitude last year more. (But here that "I don't give a fuck" attitude is probably the key, not the J/P)

I got an ENTJ teacher, too, and that was nasty. She was encouraging students to do "creative" stuff, but in an NTJ way, you know, all controlled and in a way how SHE liked it, so it wasn't creative/free at all. She was all hyper and seemingly funny, but that was only on the surface. In truth, she was one evil:devil:, manipulative, controlling, directive, and arrogant person - with all this underneath the "we are friends, aren't we" face. She was using an emotional ransom to do what she wanted with dummies: at first she established a friendly connection, and then assumed "you owe me something" attitude.

Basically I liked P teachers more than Js (Except ESTPs and ENFJs); they are much more correct with dealing with students than Js.
 

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Perhaps I'm too 'J' to get it, but being able to play the cymbal on the beat is a very important skill, so... yeah.
 
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