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    Default Are intuitives more prone to perfectionism?

    Warning: Half baked idea.

    Considering that perfectionism comes out from having expectations about the present moment or the future, and idealism is usually about producing expectations etc. It'd make sense that alot of people will be prone to becoming disappointed with this attitude. Several questions though:

    a) Why are intuitives typically described as being focused on the future?
    - Please no explanations like "It's Ni/Ne, therefore we are." but I don't mind using functions within the explanation.

    b) What's perfectionism in an SP like?
    - Though I sort of doubt there's any real negative correlation between being an SP and perfectionism. Imagine it'd be standard across most people. Confirmation SPs?

    c) What's the motivation for wanting a better future?
    - Nevermind answered my own question.

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    No, not really. The main Enneagram type for ISTJ is usually Type 1 - the Perfectionist. Don't see any other type more perfectionist than ISTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    a) Why are intuitives typically described as being focused on the future?
    - Please no explanations like "It's Ni/Ne, therefore we are." but I don't mind using functions within the explanation.

    b) What's perfectionism in an SP like?
    - Though I sort of doubt there's any real negative correlation between being an SP and perfectionism. Imagine it'd be standard across most people. Confirmation SPs?
    a) Some on here have indicated their thoughts naturally project them backwards and forwards. And they can't stop thinking of possibilities related to what they are experiencing in the present, rather than actually focusing on the present experience. You can see this thread for some examples.

    b) When I'm creating something, I want it to be right. I can get very upset, sometimes start over completely if it's not going how I want it to. This has occurred with writing lyrics, drawing, audio editing, web page designing, and even internet forum posts! (Just to name a few.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne View Post
    No, not really. The main Enneagram type for ISTJ is usually Type 1 - the Perfectionist. Don't see any other type more perfectionist than ISTJ.
    The stereotype for SJs being security oriented would definitely mean that we are focused on future. In fact I don't think it's uncommon for SJs to worry about the future...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    a) Some on here have indicated their thoughts naturally project them backwards and forwards. And they can't stop thinking of possibilities related to what they are experiencing in the present, rather than actually focusing on the present experience. You can see this thread for some examples.
    The sort of thoughts naturally push them towards that? Hm. It's a case of "It just is." I'll have to check out that thread. Thanks Jeff.

    b) When I'm creating something, I want it to be right. I can get very upset, sometimes start over completely if it's not going how I want it to. This has occurred with writing lyrics, drawing, audio editing, web page designing, and even internet forum posts! (Just to name a few.)
    Yeah I figured it wouldn't be any different for SPs. How about perfectionism for the future? An ISFJ, I want it to be right because it might affect both how things are now and what will happen in the future. Does this hold true for you as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Warning: Half baked idea.

    Considering that perfectionism comes out from having expectations about the present moment or the future, and idealism is usually about producing expectations etc. It'd make sense that alot of people will be prone to becoming disappointed with this attitude. Several questions though:

    a) Why are intuitives typically described as being focused on the future?
    - Please no explanations like "It's Ni/Ne, therefore we are." but I don't mind using functions within the explanation.

    b) What's perfectionism in an SP like?
    - Though I sort of doubt there's any real negative correlation between being an SP and perfectionism. Imagine it'd be standard across most people. Confirmation SPs?

    c) What's the motivation for wanting a better future?
    - Nevermind answered my own question.
    This is NTJ answer but this is the only thing I can relly offer.

    Why are intuitives described as future oriented ?

    Probably because we are future oriented.




    But to be honest I would say that intuitives more none present oriented then they are future oriented. We are trying to understnd the whole context.
    So we can't be focused on the world around us in many situations.
    Plus we need a lot of time to think about things that are not around us. Since we need to understand and connect all the dot's.
    What can take a while in some cases.

    When I get lost in my head I can have "blackouts" over few hours.
    I simply can't remember what I was doing phisically over that time.
    I only know that I was thinking in a room and that is it.
    But my understanding of somthing will be more complete or I will create a completly new concept.


    Why better future ?
    Because the future is the only thing on which you can have an effect.
    (if we overlook chaos theory)

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    You may have seen me around on the threads raving about how much I love working with ISTJs. It's because of their relentless thoroughness and perfectionism, which I also share.

    I think for my ISTJ assistant, he is a perfectionist because he worries about his job security and his future.
    I think I am a perfectionist because being thought of as incompetent or stupid is probably a fate worse than death. It's a pride thing.

    I think I am thought of as future focused because I am always looking for new ways to streamline and fix things. And I can quickly visualize new projects. I have a really low attention span and I need to always feel like we are in constant motion. What's new and what's next are my 2 most often used questions. However, I've never once given serious thought to any aspect of my own personal future.

    I think SJs as a whole are not thought of as future focused because they value the traditions laid down before them, and don't wish to unnecessarily change them. However, all this is to lay the foundation for their future and retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Yeah I figured it wouldn't be any different for SPs. How about perfectionism for the future? An ISFJ, I want it to be right because it might affect both how things are now and what will happen in the future. Does this hold true for you as well?
    I really spend very little time thinking about the future. I think part of that is age-related, as some of the younger SPs on here have indicated more future-thinking than me, and that's understandable. The first personality test I took when I was 20, I scored as INFP, mainly because the N/S questions were mostly related to future vs past or new ideas vs "tried and true" methods. I think nearly any 20-year-old would say he thinks more about the future than the past, regardless of type.

    These days it goes Present, Past, Future - in that order. And even when I think about the future, it's usually the very immediate future. I hate questions like "Where do you see yourself in five years?" because my answer is "I don't." I don't see myself in five years, I see myself now and have things to do now. All kinds of stuff could happen in the next five years, so why should I attempt to predict it? Life's going to happen anyway, so I'm going to do my best to enjoy it as it happens instead of trying to run ahead of it.
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    I am afraid that we must define what the word "future" means in this context.

    For me thinking about what will be for 2 week is not thinking about the future.
    To me this is thinking about technical details.
    So for me thinking about the future is when periods of time are longer then a year.

    Also N is not just about time it is also about how wide is your view on things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Also N is not just about time it is also about how wide is your view on things.
    That is a very debatable comment though. What is width on things?
    Actually I'm just being difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    That is a very debatable comment though. What is width on things?
    Actually I'm just being difficult.
    Actually you are just using your N. If you want to make a friendship with a strong N just ask things like this often.


    For me the space and time parameters are: Cosmic contexts and billions of years that have passed and that will come.

    This is because I am proffesionally into hard science and because I think that a person can work its entire life without doing/completing anything important. You can invest your entire life into something but if that thing is not a piece of the puzzle/solution you actually didn't do anything in your life.

    This can be disscused on a much complex level so I will stop here.
    I mean that I will leave those arguments for some other thread.

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