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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Actually you are just using your N. If you want to make a friendship with a strong N just ask things like this often.


    For me the space and time parameters are: Cosmic contexts and billions of years that have passed and that will come.

    This is because I am proffesionally into hard science and because I think that a person can work its entire life without doing/completing anything important. You can invest your entire life into something but if that thing is not a piece of the puzzle/solution you actually didn't do anything in your life.

    This can be disscused on a much complex level so I will stop here.
    I mean that I will leave those arguments for some other thread.
    Bringing it back to a personal level. You'd think that Geology at university level is rather abstract however what I've observed is a heavy focus on a particular piece of rock with it's fine details. Granted I'm only in the 1st year, it seems to be neccessary details. Still that doesn't remove the interest in fossils, not talking about using fossils for dating however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Bringing it back to a personal level. You'd think that Geology at university level is rather abstract however what I've observed is a heavy focus on a particular piece of rock with it's fine details. Granted I'm only in the 1st year, it seems to be neccessary details. Still that doesn't remove the interest in fossils, not talking about using fossils for dating however.
    Yes, with time it becomes more and more abstract and complex.
    Sorry, but first year is not a best example of what geology really is.
    Are there any chances that you remember one graph I have posted a few weeks ago? (I will post ot again if needed)



    However I think that your approach here is too SJish.
    Since for me my education is not like a duty.

    For example I have read about 30 books about universe, time, energy and stuff like that in my life. Also I pay attention to geopilitics.
    So what I am doing is that I am trying to get all pieces of the puzzle so that I can predict what will happen and what should be done and what should I do.
    This is simplicified but this is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Yes, with time it becomes more and more abstract and complex.
    Sorry, but first year is not a best example of what geology really is.
    Are there any chances that you remember one graph I have posted a few weeks ago? (I will post ot again if needed)
    The one about geochemistry? Yes.......................

    However I think that your approach here is too SJish.
    Since for me my education is not like a duty.

    For example I have read about 30 books about universe, time, energy and stuff like that in my life. Also I pay attention to geopilitics.
    So what I am doing is that I am trying to get all pieces of the puzzle so that I can predict what will happen and what should be done and what should I do.
    This is simplicified but this is it.
    I'm not surprised since I'm studying it out of a duty. One of the reasons I disliked Geology was because of the uncertainty when predicting whether X is X or Y from the lack of knowledge. Uncomfortable with the uncertainty within the field, when I knew there was a specific certainty. Without some of the details, telling the basic differences between particular rocks or formation patterns was hell.

    I told this to the Geophysists, and then told him I'd rather be in psychology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    The one about geochemistry? Yes.......................

    I'm not surprised since I'm studying it out of a duty. One of the reasons I disliked Geology was because of the uncertainty when predicting whether X is X or Y from the lack of knowledge. Uncomfortable with the uncertainty within the field, when I knew there was a specific certainty. Without some of the details, telling the basic differences between particular rocks or formation patterns was hell.

    I told this to the Geophysists, and then told him I'd rather be in psychology.

    Yes, I was talking exactly about that one.

    I can perfectly understand why an SJ would have a that problem. Especially since many minerals are quite similar in appearance.

    Plus you can't classify many things clearly in this field.
    So many classifications are vague and it is not clear what is what.

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    I don't know if intuitives are more prone, but I certainly have perfectionist tendencies. ISxJs seem perfectionist as well, but the difference is that I'm trying to fit my vision of perfection, and not the status quo.


    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    But to be honest I would say that intuitives more none present oriented then they are future oriented. We are trying to understnd the whole context.
    So we can't be focused on the world around us in many situations.
    I agree. I'm not only concerned with the future, but also the past, in order to get a well-rounded picture. Later, I incorporate the present (well, then it will be the past...). The present is only as important as its implications to the broader context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Yes, I was talking exactly about that one.

    I can perfectly understand why an SJ would have a that problem. Especially since many minerals are quite similar in appearance.

    Plus you can't classify many things clearly in this field.
    So many classifications are vague and it is not clear what is what.
    Yep. There was overall patterns in it, but I never paid enough attention to it so the fundamentals were lost. Many minerals do appear extremely similar. Still I've learnt some cool things like pyrite. Little nuggets of gold information. w00t!

    It's even worst when you are expected to tell how much composition there is of particular minerals from just observation, to take a subsection of the rock face and estimate the percentage and therefore rock type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Yep. There was overall patterns in it, but I never paid enough attention to it so the fundamentals were lost. Many minerals do appear extremely similar. Still I've learnt some cool things like pyrite. Little nuggets of gold information. w00t!

    It's even worst when you are expected to tell how much composition there is of particular minerals from just observation, to take a subsection of the rock face and estimate the percentage and therefore rock type.

    That is exactly it, there is too much uncertainty in this field for a SJ.
    Plus with time things only get more and more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post

    a) Why are intuitives typically described as being focused on the future?
    - Please no explanations like "It's Ni/Ne, therefore we are." but I don't mind using functions within the explanation.
    Because the future does not exist, nor will the future ever exist in its own right; it's a word we use to vaguely refer to events that haven't happened yet. Events that haven't happened yet requires the mind to use abstraction coupled with imagination in order to grasp them.

    Since Ns swim in abstraction, it makes sense they think about this silly thing called "the future". S's are forward looking as well, they're not animals, but sensors will fixate on things that are currently existing and project forward rather than leap ahead into things they cannot observe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That is exactly it, there is too much uncertainty in this field for a SJ.
    Plus with time things only get more and more complicated.
    Well... For most subjects the latter is always going to be true. I think my favourite aspect of the degree so far was the "micro to macro" when we were studying basic physics - heat flows, seismic waves, porosity etc. At least then there was some sort of structure to the theory.

    Geochemistry was fine until they started introducing those teritiary diagrams etc since there was no easy way of remembering which rock goes where apart from just memorising them. At least no pattern I could easily recall.

    Fossils is probably the worst part of geology module for sure, since it's essentially remember this without any real context. I've never been a fan of biology for this reason. At least with the rocks there was some vague classification system that was easy to remember such as igneous, metamorphic etc then broken further into basalt and olivine at the bottom layer of the crust. Note: This is all very basic geology. I've never taken it before after all. How small crystals surrounded by the matrix meant the rock had undergone X formation etc. There was at least some reasoning behind it.

    You can tell I was much more of a geophysics fan than geochemistry/geology/paleobiology fan.

    Curious, what do you think about the uncertainty element for NJs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post


    Curious, what do you think about the uncertainty element for NJs?

    I am not sure what do you mean with "uncertainty element" ?

    If you are asking how we deal with uncertainty I will say "fine".
    I can accept that something simply can be clearly classified and that is it. Since making of classification would create a false/incomplete clasification.
    But because of Ni we have a much easier time thinking about things this way. Since we often think outside box. (like all Ns)

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