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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    So...why don't we stop talking about the original, as exact functional order is clearly ridiculous? Let's move on to something useful and discuss MBTI as four independent variables.
    This exactly

    Most of those who use MBTI only very rarely get into function order, and there's a reason for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    If MBTI is a slightly simplified version of the Big 5, it probably still has uses...assuming this is true, it would just be a little bit less useful than the Big 5.

    My psychology course didn't cover the Big 5, but it did cover MBTI, and it didn't say a single word about Jungian functions. It seems, perhaps, that academia has adopted an alternative version of MBTI that is not faithful to the original.

    So...why don't we stop talking about the original, as exact functional order is clearly ridiculous? Let's move on to something useful and discuss MBTI as four independent variables.
    Then your psychology course must have been laughable. MBTI is just as much a part of mainstream psychology as psychoanalysis, ergo not a part of... By the way, neuroticism is a highly important trait, so using MBTI over Big Five is not exactly recommended. Extroversion and neuroticism are often called the Big Two, and are perhaps the two most important traits. I say that because there are a lot of less comprehensive psychological theories who have similar concepts, like Eysenck, reinforcement sensitivity theory, Cloninger's Tridimensional Personality Model, Higgins and his Theory of Regulatory Focus. Extroversion is connected to positive emotions, neuroticism to negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Usage of X, no matter how long, is irrelevant to the validity or reliability of X.


    You don't want to know where I went to college.
    It would make your education look like something you'd buy in K-mart.
    Where anyone went to college is irrelevant to this discussion. Period.



    I don't care if he holds a doctorate in Cunnilingus.
    It has no bearing on the validity of MBTI.



    Irrelevant.



    There's nothing "interesting" in your entire post.
    You have no direct evidence; no corroborative evidence.
    Ergo, you don't have shit.
    It was a direct response to Victor's use of appeals to authority as a means of discrediting this approach. See his signature: the point you *should* have gotten from this exchange is that even among people educated in psychology, there's debate about the usefulness of MBTI. I meant to illustrate that Victor's signature doesn't really prove much, when viewed in context.

    If you'd bother looking at the broader context of anything, ever, you'd probably have noticed that.

    MBTI's use as a perspective for inductive behavioral prediction has directly improved my understanding of the interactions in the world around me.

    I'm becoming increasingly convinced you're an ESTJ.

    I know this may be difficult for you, but try to consider that I'm looking at your type as a range of different possibilities. I don't need to place it into "definitely yes" or "definitely no" with precise specifics before I use inductive reasoning to gain predictive value from it, see?

    No, I'm sure you don't, but continue demonstrating your one-dimensional thinking 'til your heart's content.

    Though I'm sure with your undoubtedly Ivy League education, you've already learned this concept and applied it toward raking in millions in Vegas, right? Since you're so good at inductive reasoning?

    I expect a majority of the audience can see exactly what I'm talking about with you.

    This forum is heavily populated by actual iNtuitives, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    This exactly. Most of those who use MBTI only very rarely get into function order, and there's a reason for that.
    I'll discuss function order a bit and I can articulate what the "theory says," but it seems to me that 1, 2, and 4 are the only really relevant ones (because we're really talking about the "main personality" = 1st + 2nd, and then the shadow function of 1 = 4th). The theory is already just theory to begin with; and as soon as people try to assign roles to functions beyond those (such as trying to call 6th position the Trickster), it seems to just be very arbitrary and prone to the Forer effect.

    Socionics has even less agreement within its ranks over how functions should be ordered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Where anyone went to college is irrelevant to this discussion. Period.

    I don't care if he holds a doctorate in Cunnilingus.
    It has no bearing on the validity of MBTI.

    Irrelevant.

    There's nothing "interesting" in your entire post.
    You have no direct evidence; no corroborative evidence.
    Ergo, you don't have shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    If you'd bother looking at the broader context of anything, ever, you'd probably have noticed that.

    I'm becoming increasingly convinced you're an ESTJ.

    I know this may be difficult for you, but try to consider that I'm looking at your type as a range of different possibilities.

    No, I'm sure you don't, but continue demonstrating your one-dimensional thinking 'til your heart's content. Though I'm sure with your undoubtedly Ivy League education, you've already learned this concept and applied it toward raking in millions in Vegas, right? Since you're so good at inductive reasoning?

    I expect a majority of the audience can see exactly what I'm talking about with you.
    Oh good grief. Take it outside.
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    People, seriously, it's only a tool, like any other.

    Just like you can't use a hammer, a wrench, or any other tool to fix everything, you can't use MBTI as a fix-all either.

    Use your brains....

    If you use it excessively, it will only result in crap.

    Used properly, it can be very enlightening along a path of self-discovery and self-improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    People, seriously, it's only a tool, like any other.

    Just like you can't use a hammer, a wrench, or any other tool to fix everything, you can't use MBTI as a fix-all either.

    Use your brains....

    If you use it excessively, it will only result in crap.

    Used properly, it can be very enlightening along a path of self-discovery and self-improvement.
    It's not just a tool, it's supposed to be science, and it's clearly not very good science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    It's not just a tool, it's supposed to be science, and it's clearly not very good science.
    What do you mean by "it's supposed to be science"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I'm becoming increasingly convinced you're an ESTJ.
    You still don't understand Te.

    If I were you, I'd stick to basket-weaving.
    Typology is not your forte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    It's not just a tool, it's supposed to be science, and it's clearly not very good science.
    No, it's not supposed to be a science. Who ever said that it was?

    Typology isn't objective! It's akin to sitting around discussing what subgenre of music our favorite bands are. There are generally accepted archetypes, but where a real person fits is highly up to interpretation.

    Just as with music, where organizing by genre helps us to understand and conceptualize the relationships between genres more effectively, we use typology as an arbitrary form of categorization.

    I can't give you precise definitions of exactly what qualifies as "rock" or "R&B", but there are still quasi-objective statements that can be made regarding the summary of popular opinion.

    If I say that The Beatles were a metal band, *technically* you can't prove me wrong with hard empirical measurements, because music, much like typology, is ultimately subjective.

    No, nobody with half a brain thinks it's a fucking science, so stop shooting that down and pretending you've accomplished something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar
    You still don't understand Te.
    That's quite possible. My deficiency in Te is matched only by yours in Ne and Ti.
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    " Maybe this is why Ti often thinks Te/Ni is full of shit. "

    "And why Te thinks Ne/Ti is spinning it's wheels or chasing its tail. "

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