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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Any repetition can induce a trance.

    Advertising takes advantage of this and keeps repeating ads over and over again - and it works - billions of dollars every year are spent on just this kind of advertising.

    And propaganda takes similar advantage of repetition to induce a trance.

    But why do advertising and propaganda wish to put us in a trance?

    And the answer is because in a trance our critical faculties go to sleep and we are susceptible to the suggestions of the advertisers and the propagandists.

    And that is why MBTI is repeated over and over again here. And it is so lovingly repeated because the sheer repetition puts us into an uncritical trance.

    And it is this uncritical trance that is so beloved by the scamsters.

    And we have here office bearers of this site who have been repeating MBTI over and over again for many years.

    And every now and then they reveal their spite towards anyone who seeks to wake us up from the MBTI trance.

    But they are relentless because they themselves are in a deep trance, and deeply and profoundly resent anyone trying to wake them up.

    And, incidentally, the best way to put someone in a trance is to enter a trance yourself. And the only better way to put someone in a trance is to put the group in a trance first and then the individual follows along. And that is just what happen here.

    But the price you pay for the MBTI trance, for the MBTI scam, is your self respect.

    But the beauty of it is, that in a trance, you don't notice the loss.
    So are you saying Haight is an evil typologist trying to push his theory on the world? Maybe he's just a front. There is no telling how deep it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    So are you saying Haight is an evil typologist trying to push his theory on the world? Maybe he's just a front. There is no telling how deep it goes.
    Haight appears to be a gentleman - certainly he gives fair play to dissent.

    And of course there are all kinds of Typology. Just the other day I was talking to a Typologist of language.

    But here of course we are talking about the Typology of psychology, or perhaps the Typology of personality.

    And indeed we are talking about personality tests.

    And the simple fact is - some personality tests are valid and reliable and some are not.

    It just happens MBTI is not.

    And so the world wide popularity of MBTI during and since WW II is crying out for an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It just happens MBTI is not.

    it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    it is.
    Hey, I find MBTI interesting, but what can you really "rely" on the tests for? They tell you something that really can't be disproven. It's only useful as a vocabulary for vague self-exploration IMO (and I enjoy vague self-exploration as much as the next person but I'd never rely on it for anything really important like hiring someone or choosing a mate).
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    MBTI is useful for personal purposes, but I don't think it should be used for hiring or mate selecting. That's just silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Hey, I find MBTI interesting, but what can you really "rely" on the tests for? They tell you something that really can't be disproven.
    Personality tests can be proven to be valid and reliable or they can be proven to be invalid and unreliable.

    And MBTI has been proven to be invalid an unreliable.

    However if you are genuinely interested in testing your personality, why don't you pay a qualified psychometrician to measure your personality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take Five View Post
    MBTI is useful for personal purposes, but I don't think it should be used for hiring or mate selecting. That's just silly.
    For the record, even the official MBTI people recommend against using it to make hiring decisions.

    I don't know that people use it formally for mate selection but even around here there's often talk of "I could never be with a sensor long-term" and things like that. Probably most of these people are just using MBTI terms as shorthand for their own concepts of what is desirable or undesirable in a mate, which isn't so bad (but isn't really MBTI proper). I doubt anyone would seriously dump a mate they were otherwise happy with if the mate got an MBTI result they didn't like. At least, I hope no one would do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Personality tests can be proven to be valid and reliable or they can be proven to be invalid and unreliable.

    And MBTI has been proven to be invalid an unreliable.
    Can you cite some sources here? I am not being flip, I really want to read reputable sources about this. I consider MBTI to be pretty pseudosciencey and would not rely on it for anything beyond idle chitchat.

    Which tests have been proven valid and reliable, and what are they valid/reliable for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor
    However if you are genuinely interested in testing your personality, why don't you pay a qualified psychometrician to measure your personality?
    I'm not that interested in having my own personality seriously measured (pretty sure I have one, that's good enough for me), just interested in personality as a concept and intrigued that people think it can be measured reliably. It seems such a mushy concept to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Can you cite some sources here? I am not being flip, I really want to read reputable sources about this.
    Well, I suggest you pick up the telephone and ring Jack Block, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of California-Berkeley.

    He would be delighted to hear from you and delighted answer your question and give you immediate access to reputable sources.

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