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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Thank heavens, Ivy, for your sense of humour.

    Of course I was being silly in response to Heart's suggestion that I critiqued MBTI simply from a personal weakness.

    So I said, yes of course, and here is my weakness itself - it proves everything I say is wrong because it comes from a twisted personal motive.

    And I must say I was surprised to find anyone believed it - I guess they wanted to prove me wrong more than they wanted to see the humour.

    What would I do without you, Ivy?

    You add words to what I asked you. I never said it was a personal "weakness."

    So here is an important question: Does a personal motive need be seen as "twisted" and does it always make a crusade wrong?

    You mistake a desire to understand what drives another person with a desire to demonize them. I wish to understand why MBTI is such an important issue for you. Because to me it just seems like a fringe movement that no one outside of it really cares much about. So if you don't get anything out of it, your time here debating against it seems futile.

    For me, if I understood your personal motives, you would move beyond being someone bound and determined to find arguments to someone with real drives and issues who could be understood on a personal level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Does a personal motive need be "twisted" and does it always make a crusade wrong?

    You mistake a desire to understand what drives another person with a desire to demonize them. I wish to understand why MBTI is such an important issue for you. Because to me it just seems like a fringe movement that no one outside of it really cares much about.
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    Victor, sorry for your loss but perhaps it is time to move on. Whether MBTI is seen as valid in your eyes or not, she is the one who took the theory to such an extreme. If she chooses to live her life that way, she is obviously not a perfect match for the person I seem to think you are.

    That being said, I think MBTI has been an extremely valuable tool, fallible or not.
    There was no loss - I was making a humourous point to Heart.

    And it is not just that MBTI is a highly successful scam, but that it comes out of an immoral stable.

    It comes out of the stable of Jung who freely and enthusiastically collaborated with the National Socialists.

    And the point is to type us by arbitrary psychological types just as the National Socialists typed us with arbitrary somatic types.

    But the National Socialists lost the war and so somatic typing lost its cache, while psychological typing, in the form of MBTI, replaced it.

    So MBTI is simply a replacement for racism - and it appeals to those who hanker for racism but don't want to be associated with the losing side of WW II.

    The purpose of somatic types was to reify living human beings so they could be murdered.

    And today the purpose of the psychological types of MBTI is to reify living human beings so they can manipulated by business.

    Ultimately it is question of taste - do you prefer living human beings or do you prefer to reify the living into things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I was kind of surprised anyone took it seriously too.

    As for your question, I suspect you would do pretty much exactly what you already do.
    Good heavens, Ivy, I couldn't do without your sense of humour.

    I don't want to do without your sense of humour - I am dependent on your sense of humour.

    So always remember Ivy, I depend on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    There was no loss - I was making a humourous point to Heart.

    And it is not just that MBTI is a highly successful scam, but that it comes out of an immoral stable.

    It comes out of the stable of Jung who freely and enthusiastically collaborated with the National Socialists.

    And the point is to type us by arbitrary psychological types just as the National Socialists typed us with arbitrary somatic types.

    But the National Socialists lost the war and so somatic typing lost its cache, while psychological typing, in the form of MBTI, replaced it.

    So MBTI is simply a replacement for racism - and it appeals to those who hanker for racism but don't want to be associated with the losing side of WW II.

    The purpose of somatic types was to reify living human beings so they could be murdered.

    And today the purpose of the psychological types of MBTI is to reify living human beings so they can manipulated by business.

    Ultimately it is question of taste - do you prefer living human beings or do you prefer to reify the living into things?
    I know all these things (and I'm glad to hear that your heartbreak was fabricated). But just because someone had bad intentions doesn't mean the end result is bad. If that were the case, I would have to disallow a lot of things in my life.

    This is a new field and while I hesitate to refer to it as a science, there is no doubt that there is at least some grounding in the truth. I am far more similar to Edgar in my thinking and reactions than I am to Heart. And even more so to Qre:us. Perhaps you can think of a better way to describe these similarities, but these similarities do exist for me with people who truly type as ENTP, or as EP, or as NT.

    I can't say for certain why this is, but it is. Would I base my life around this system? No. But being on this forum has made me want to learn more. Of course there are other typing systems, as well. And whether this is all self fulfilling, it truly has helped in my communications with people that I identify certain patterns in and has helped me to understand where these other people are coming from. And least from a behavioral standpoint - I can't speak much on the cognitive processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Because to me it just seems like a fringe movement that no one outside of it really cares much about.
    MBTI is no more a fringe movement than astrology.

    Since WW II millions upon millions of people every year have done the MBTI test across the world.

    MBTI has had an immense effect on whole cultures, just like astrology.

    MBTI is a remnant of National Socialism living among us.

    MBTI is used today to manipulate living human beings.

    MBTI appeals to the worst in us.

    Yet how bizarre you would call it a fringe movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yet how bizarre you would call it a fringe movement.
    Bizarre to you only because you do nothing but make baseless assumptions about how you think I see the world, how you think I see myself and my motives.

    Most people, even the ones who've been tested, don't know what MBTI is and they don't care. It does have a dangerous side which could be used to control others, just like most things in this world do but it seems an unlikely threat right now because most people don't care about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    most people don't care about it.
    Is that why there are 118 posts on this thread - because on one cares about it?

    In fact this thread is a direct threat to the power structure of this site.

    This thread is a direct threat to those with a vested interest in MBTI.

    And naturally they have responded to the threat - just as your immune system responds to the threat of an infection.

    In fact what we are looking at is an emotional immune response to cognitive dissonance.

    For some are for MBTI and some against - and this produces cognitive dissonance.

    And cognitive dissonance produces emotional pain which mobilises the emotional immune response of denial, rationalisation and finally insults.

    But we must remember that cognitive dissonance is a sign that learning is taking place.

    Sure, learning is painful - like stretching an unused muscle.

    And taking part in the adventure of learning leads to discovery and understanding.

    Who could wish for anything more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Is that why there are 118 posts on this thread - because on one cares about it?
    Because this is a board about MBTI and there's about five to ten people in this thread posting and responding to each other over and over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Is that why there are 118 posts on this thread - because on one cares about it?

    In fact this thread is a direct threat to the power structure of this site.

    This thread is a direct threat to those with a vested interest in MBTI.

    And naturally they have responded to the threat - just as your immune system responds to the threat of an infection.
    You really have a gift for hyperbole. In fact, an admin at this site (that would be me) has responded in partial agreement with you. I daresay if this thread posed a thread to the site in any way it would have been deleted by Haight already.

    "Most people" don't post on typology forums, this one or any other. Most people are either unaware it exists, know about it but don't really care, or know about it and care a little. People invested enough in any kind of typology to discuss it on the internet are pretty few and far between, I'd think.
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