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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't know what the hell you're talking about with universal worth and helping the species. I don't know how this is relevant to anything I said. Proceed and someone will respond eventually... I just don't have the energy.
    i was hinting that helping progress towards only a certain species (or even an entire universe of species) would also be classified as elitism. so yes, i'm an elitist. perhaps not by type, but by being (and possibly, location).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    i was hinting that helping progress towards only a certain species (or even an entire universe of species) would also be classified as elitism. so yes, i'm an elitist. perhaps not by type, but by being (and possibly, location).
    Oh. Well, I am vegan, and try to help all species.

    But regardless, I think it's safe to assume that we are speaking of elitism within our own little elite human group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    are you afraid of not being politically correct? or why is the topic "ugh"-y?

    the people that are most prone to becoming "elitist" in their mentality are the mentality dominant ones (Se/Si/Ne/Ni). people with these are auxiliary functions are in a gray area and will most likely see things in a more balanced light.

    i'm willing to bet that there outside of people who know their MBTI type exists no N elitism, because people don't know their type, and therefore aren't proud of it. like whoever said it, it's more a detached form of "selfishness". on the other hand, S elitism manifests itself as by the book bureaucracy (at least that's how i picture it), where change is neither welcomed nor permitted.

    in all honesty, i would want N elitism to be more prevalent. both to study the effects on society at large and to see what changes may come about from it. it may be "evil" looking at it from one perspective, but on the other hand, what if a greater goal could be achieved through this?

    SPOILER ALERT
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    in the final scenes of the movie, ozymandias decides to blow up entire metropolises across the globe, realizing that the blame can only be put on dr. manhattan. for as long as dr. manhattan stays away from the planet, humanity is united in world peace.

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    i see that scene from two sides: on one hand, you have an extreme number of human causalities, for which you can mourn the loss. but on the other hand, you have attained world peace... in a time where war was lurking everywhere. to me, this demonstrates just about the most extreme scenario of N elitism. my point is that even if it is extreme, any N elitism would always serve a goal that would eventually aid mankind as a whole. look at the discovery of nuclear science, and later, the atomic bomb. we took many lives from the japanese the day the bombs dropped, yet they also served to cement the power of the technology. i'm not saying it necessarily is a good thing, i'm just saying that there are always two sides.


    Slaughtering hundreds of millions of innocents = NOT WORLD PEACE. In fact, that's the exact opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Slaughtering hundreds of millions of innocents = NOT WORLD PEACE. In fact, that's the exact opposite.
    really? i think you're trying to equate inequalities here, blue gandhi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    really? i think you're trying to equate inequalities here, blue gandhi.
    Am I? You seem to be suggesting here that "elitism" would mean that the ends justify the means when it comes to mass murder. How is that N? Or even logical? Mankind was not served as a whole. It was snuffed out by madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Am I? You seem to be suggesting here that "elitism" would mean that the ends justify the means when it comes to mass murder. How is that N? Or even logical? Mankind was not served as a whole. It was snuffed out by madness.
    it was an alternative to a global scale nuclear war. would you be able to justify the losses of, say, 5 million people total versus 4 billion and a completely destroyed planet if you had to choose? sure he killed people, but those people would have died anyway, don't you think?

    ... and you're right. it's not N, it's NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    it was an alternative to a global scale nuclear war. would you be able to justify the losses of, say, 5 million people total versus 4 billion and a completely destroyed planet if you had to choose? sure he killed people, but those people would have died anyway, don't you think?

    ... and you're right. it's not N, it's NT.

    No, it's not justified, because the 4 billion were not dead yet. We have free will, and that's an atrocity. It's the same reason why dropping atomic bombs on civilians was a national shame for the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    No, it's not justified, because the 4 billion were not dead yet. We have free will, and that's an atrocity. It's the same reason why dropping atomic bombs on civilians was a national shame for the United States.
    i'm not asking whether it's justified, i'm asking what you would choose. there is no middle route, there are no alternatives to those two situations.

    you see your regrets before you see the goodness of your actions. why am i even having this discussion with you, blue gandhi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    I'm shocked that there is no popcorn emoticon.

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