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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    the "mad scientist" emmett brown in "back to the future" probably results introvert if he does this test, but he is typed as entp.
    Emmet Brown is 1000% ENTP. Most ENTPs I know are not as verbal as he is. If anything about him seems dominantly Introverted to you, I'm not sure you've totally grasped introversion vs. extroversion in MBTI terms. Even though it is a typical factor, let's take connection with people out of the equation for a moment. I like these brief definitions better.

    Introversion - The attitude of defining the world in relation to the self.
    Extroversion - The attitude of defining the self in relation to the world.

    That is, an Extrovert measures himself compared to the external. His life is oriented by the outer objects.
    An Introvert cannot exist in a world that is not his. So therefore, he must define external things according to his own terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    OK, thank you!

    But how is Ne different if I use it as first function or second?
    Do you think my description is more Ne-Ti (ENTP) or Ti-Ne (INTP)? Which the differences in the process?
    If you are Ti > Ne, Ne merely acts as a guide for the Ti. The Ti is in control. You will bethinking, about many possibilities.

    If you are Ne > Ti, again, Ti is just there to be used on what you define as more important. The "possibilities" stream, and the Ti dips in a little on each one, considering them briefly, until something is really worth considering, when Ti beegins being used heavily.

    I can compare this to my relation with INFP poets like Poe. He will describe a room in great detail, like a cellar, and then compare it to something else that would have acquired wear and tear with lack of use. He lists the many reasons that these things are similar. He is Fi > Ne.

    If I were to write the same passage, as an Ne > Fi, I would list the five places or things that it is similar to, in meager detail, and expect the reader to derive the connection intuitively.

    I assume by this question, you mean "How are the processes different?"

    Ne is a "'P'erceptive" function, meaning it is wholly unconscious, and has nothing to do with conscious consideration. This is better explained through another Percieving function, Se. You taste an apple. That's the Se. That's it. This amorphous taste is all you have. Then, you recognize what it tastes like. This transition is nearly seemless, but many philosophers throughout the years have had a field day driving a wedge between these processes. T and F processes are judging, which means that they have nothing to do with perception, only organizing information and making decision. Basically, what we think of as 'conscious thinking.' If one has a 'J' in their MBTI type, then they extrovert this 'conscious thinking,' and since organizing and decision making are excogitated, you can expect these people to be more organized and decision oriented. If one has a 'P' in their code, then their connection with the material world is unconscious, so we see opposite qualities in them.


    If you want my opinion on differences between ENTP and INTP, I have found that ENTPs typically like to impress people, and to work on their visions to a great degree, and that seems far from the mind of the INTP - for the INTP, the systems of information are held above all, and it doesn't matter who else reads them or does something about them (though obviously that would be preferable, I think). The INTP is the perfect architect archetype because they design a building, then hand off a sheet of paper to God knows who to work out the further challenges of implementation. He could actually care less if the building even gets built, as long as he knows that his design system is in his opinion satisfactory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    If you are Ne > Ti, again, Ti is just there to be used on what you define as more important. The "possibilities" stream, and the Ti dips in a little on each one, considering them briefly, until something is really worth considering, when Ti beegins being used heavily.
    THIS!! THIS!! Thanks into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    THIS!! THIS!! Thanks into it.
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    I would say Ne as well, with Ti for fun (else I could play Ne all day if the Ti didn't make me a l'il bit tired ...)

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    Yeah, except I don't think that description was referring to the typical MBTI judgement. So just Ne.

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