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    Default Confusing ESTP with ENTJ?

    For some reason, if I don't know a person much, when they're in I-want-something-and-I'm-going-to-argue-for-it mode, I have a certain peculiar difficulty differentiating between ESTP and ENTJ.

    ESTJ and ENTP have more signature tip-off behaviors that separate them from the other two ExTx types, but it seems that when it comes to trying to persuade others, ENTJ and ESTP approach certain things very similarly, but for largely different reasons.

    What tips you off, besides the obvious?
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    ENTJ and ESTP are the same type lol! Just like ENTP and ESTJ!

    If you can't tell the difference, it must be because your intelligence is very high.
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    I can tell the difference with people I know well. The point is that they seem to use similar tactics in their efforts to influence others, despite a clear difference in overall strategy--I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that.
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    Well, if you think juggenaut is an ESTP. I would be LMAO.

    There are quite a few ENTJs here who think they are ESTPs. You can ask their opinion.
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    So...doesn't that add credibility to my claim that they may be especially difficult to distinguish from one another, given a limited data set?

    EDIT: Juggernaut is actually INTJ, I believe. But no, I hadn't mistaken her for ESTP at all...I'm sure part of that is confirmation bias from the fact that her type was clearly listed as eNTJ, but she personally doesn't show many signs of SP behavior at all.

    Sometimes it's easy to tell...for those nearer the borderline, it's not quite so cut and dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    So...doesn't that add credibility to my claim that they may be especially difficult to distinguish from one another, given a limited data set?
    That's with anyone though.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    EDIT: Juggernaut is actually INTJ, I believe. But no, I hadn't mistaken her for ESTP at all...I'm sure part of that is confirmation bias from the fact that her type was clearly listed as eNTJ, but she personally doesn't show many signs of SP behavior at all.
    Really? Did you confirm that with her? I had no idea...

    ESTPs and ENTJs, are very different even on first glance, imo. Both are extraverted, so maybe that's what you can't see through? But even in the use of language, I find the types to be very different from each other.

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    No they are the same. Just like ENFJ and ENTP. People often confuse ENFJs with ENTPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde
    Really? Did you confirm that with her? I had no idea...

    ESTPs and ENTJs, are very different even on first glance, imo. Both are extraverted, so maybe that's what you can't see through? But even in the use of language, I find the types to be very different from each other.

    Well, she recently tested INTJ and put the result in her signature. I mentioned it and she didn't deny it, so it seems probable.

    So say you're at a new job, first day so you don't know anyone, and a manager you've never met comes up and starts barking orders...what signs would you observe in ESTP as opposed to ENTJ here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well, she recently tested INTJ and put the result in her signature. I mentioned it and she didn't deny it, so it seems probable.

    So say you're at a new job, first day so you don't know anyone, and a manager you've never met comes up and starts barking orders...what signs would you observe in ESTP as opposed to ENTJ here?
    I've never had an ESTP bark orders at me. Or an ENTJ either. (ESTJ, yes. definitely).

    In my experience: an ESTP will always try to "friend" me or disarm me first and size me up. An ENTJ will just get straight to the point.

    EDIT: also, an ESTP will spend the first 10 minutes telling me all about their past achievements and qualifications. Really talk about themselves, their backgrounds and their strong points. An ENTJ will spend the first 10 minutes getting you up to speed on the project and the company's organization...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    No they are the same. Just like ENFJ and ENTP. People often confuse ENFJs with ENTPs.
    Why are they the same?

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