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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Ironclad functional order is dumb.

    The functions themselves don't have much use beyond self-examination. It's nigh impossible to tell what's actually going on in someone else's subconscious mental processes.

    The real use of MBTI is in its labels and system of categorization of externalized behaviors. When you consider it as a system of four independent variables of behavioral preferences, without attempting to compare their strengths relative to each other, it works well enough to provide an added degree of understanding/predictability.

    This is the way the system was introduced to me in a book called Type Talk, and it's the way I still use it today. The authors mention the functions, but only in passing and kind of as a supplement, a bit of a "here this might be interesting to think about" afterthought.

    So basically, screw functions. Read about what they do so that you can identify the processes in yourself, but when considering the types of others, ask four questions:

    1) E vs. I?
    2) N vs. S?
    3) F vs. T?
    4) P vs. J?

    There are ample resources on the internet for what each of those means...but remember that these are independent variables, meaning that if you're an ISTJ, you prefer I over E, S over N, T over F and J over P, but that which preference is stronger than the others is entirely dependent upon the person. Insisting that all ISTJs are best in Si, then 2nd best in Te, etc. is just silly and makes no intuitive sense.

    I totally get where Jeffster is coming from. If we're to expect any real use out of MBTI beyond a cute parlor game, we have to consider it purely as an arbitrary categorization system of externalized behaviors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Am I really speaking Swahili here? I asked Udog how HE knows this. If you make a declarative statement, you gotta have something to back it up. If it's just "accepted" then you might as well be the Flat Earth Society. The Earth is flat just because we say it is.
    It's not just accepted. Jung does have something to back it up, but it's very complicated, and most people can't understand it when they read it, so they just accept the conclusion.

    I've actually read and understood it, though. The thing is, if I tried to explain it, it would be even more complicated than Jung's explanation, because I'm clumsier at such explanations than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Am I really speaking Swahili here? I asked Udog how HE knows this. If you make a declarative statement, you gotta have something to back it up. If it's just "accepted" then you might as well be the Flat Earth Society. The Earth is flat just because we say it is.
    Your disagreement with udog is a conceptual misunderstanding.

    He is not debating the theory's validity at all; his only point was that within the system of the theory, it is assumed that [x].

    You're asking how he knows the theory is accurate, but he's not claiming that he does.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Am I really speaking Swahili here? I asked Udog how HE knows this. If you make a declarative statement, you gotta have something to back it up. If it's just "accepted" then you might as well be the Flat Earth Society. The Earth is flat just because we say it is.
    Hopefully you did catch my answer, the edit came about 2 minutes after I made the post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Joe Butt pulled that from MBTI theory.

    Why are you asking?

    Edit - How do I know that? I know that because the theory states it. Right now, isn't that what we are talking about?
    I don't simply "accept" the theory. It has severe limitations when it comes to application.

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