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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Exactly. MBTI is a system of generalizations. There's a difference between generalizations and stereotypes though. We could make this thread into listing stereotypes, and then all you need to do is read the descriptions/etc and subtract the stereotypes from them. ie, P = lazy slackers, J = judgmental assholes? (I think that's a sterotype, anyway )
    In my brother's case (That thing is an ISTJ), it really is a judgemental asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Well in theory there's nothing wrong with any MBTI - Enneagram combination. INFP8, sure why not? My INFP friends can be quite bossy when it comes to their creations, they certainly lose the whole laid back mystic very quickly

    rawr goes the infp 8

    To a certain extent yes. I'm looked to for plans by most of my social group (despite protestations) and actually one INFP said to me that he personally looked to me for a plan and was prepared to follow my lead because I come up with ideas that suit everyone. How un-INTP do I sound now?

    cool intp you are *yoda speak* don't ask where that came from

    Middle school? Jinkies... not many of those left. Well in the smoke there isn't, the sticks is another story. Anyhow, yeah it's never as easy as your own preferences but it comes in damn handy. I can predict time schedules. Hell if I leave my ESTP wife at home I even arrive on time!! (She has a whole separate time zone like GMT -30 minues.)

    hehe -30 minutes that made me giggle. I find my mother has that about herself it seems to have rubbed off on me. I'm pretty chilled overall though as long as i'm not with three children threatening to tackle me/pull hair/ all sit on me it's a warzone even just being an aunt xD.


    Ooo you're crossing into another pet peeve... Fe and Fi are one function with two attitude notes. Realistically Fe + Fi (if it were to be measured properly) should be 100% (I think). Personally I reject the idea that the F in Fi and Fe is different, only where it is employed changes, not the function itself.

    I would love to hear more about this about Fe Fi being 1 function with two attitude notes. i am at your mercy..consider me the student

    Btw, ISFP... ENTJ!!!! Shall I just nod and agree now?

    hmm....if you mean this here
    ISFP Personality Types
    Under extreme stress, fatigue or illness, the ISFP's shadow may appear - a negative form of ENTJ. Example characteristics are:

    being very critical and finding fault with almost everything *only against myself....i usually am pretty laid back though/ it's also hard to see these in my self as it's probably as it says on the site usually projected onto others instead of recognizing it in myself or other isfp's.*
    becoming bossy and ignoring others' feelings
    having a very pessimistic view of the future
    see hidden meanings that are not really there
    * i could actually see this....more in times when i didn't have a good understanding of what some people's intentions were and I just seemed to ponder if they were after something or just someother negative thought...never really let it get to me though. Not really stressed easy it takes alot or someone trying to limit me or appear to.

    I forgot to mention this one really close friend i know who we got to really know each other well inside and out.

    I realize after the mbti thing she's seemmed to have the general theme of ISTP and I was honored (either way whether she was istp or not) when i remember her telling me I was logical, level headed, no nonsense attitude (amen heh been told by two seperate people this) and I don't take no BS lol yeah baby it is true guess i can dig into that entjness if needed. so yeah stereotypes go ^^PPPP lol *so mature right*


    Anyhow, your mistake with enneagram and MBTI is seemingly the most common cause of mistyping and confusion. People expect the system to be prescriptive when it's descriptive. You can have any combination of enneagram and MBTI, it's all in how they work together that describes you.

    I'm glad you brought that up to cause it makes sense to me now when i look at being an E6 and an ISFP who can be a *beep* when under her shadow. Don't poke the quiet peaceful bear...you won't like bear then xD

    In my little circle of people I know of many such examples, there's the ENFP who can hide away for weeks and isn't very bothered about socialising unless it's about him, there's the ENFJ who will tell you to your face (about 2 inches from it in fact) that she doesn't give two balls of ice cream what you think, then there's the ENTJ who tend to look very much the field marshal type but is actually wounded deeply when people disapprove of him. Then of course there's me, the INTP who can usually out talk most extraverts and yet also stay quite happily in my little cave for days but then go out with about a dozen people and be all loud and huggy.

    yay!!!! huggy *clears throat* anywho
    I can see despite being an is"F"p If i don't see a reason why you need my help or you are just trying to use me cause i'm the easiest way especially if what is happening to you, is not even something i caused to happen or chose even. Better be on your last leg. Not saying i won't try to point you in the right direction but as soon as i start to feel used and limited i'm a sad bear . I see it this way you can't take of other if you can't take care of yourself and I'm the only person who's responsible for me and my health/happiness also so that too.


    Let's face it, the entire human race is all screwed up. No amount of attempts at classification is ever going to cover all the eventualities and at the end of the day each person is an individual and so should approach any and all systems of classification with the attitude that it will NOT describe them with any real sense of clarity and not to accept things blindly.
    amen btw this is my religion theories and such *just being silly though i'm more spiritual when i wake up and look at the sunrise/sunset or moonrise boom that's my church right out my window outside in nature woo. I'm pumped now or see a cute fuzzy little chickmonk/squirel/cat/bird/kids even you name it...does way more for me at least then a church sermon though those are nice too when a religious family shows a new side to life/perspective.

    All over the place in your writing style? You should have seen my earlier posts on INTP Central. Hell I can't follow some of them!

    makes me feel better. Thanks you xander, your doing fine now it's very understandable for me at least. I feel i can understand your way of explaining your thoughts as a couple others on hear like unique and some others i forgot the name xD...sorry...i'm bad.

    Anyway I tend to find the scattered posters are often the more moderate and well considered. It takes a level of blinkering to be certain, to be objective/ fair you have to try to be all encompassing and that leads to much hopping about.

    true on that leading to hopping about.

    Of course the aim is to be clearly unclear in a deliberate fashion, but that's waaayy too much like hard work most of the time
    yes indeed I try my best but sometimes it's easier to get the gist of it across and refine as i go...thank goodness for editing

    to Xander....thanks again. I really appreciate your contribution.
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Question where are you xander? ^^)

    I think this a good thread we should keep what we got going here well going haha.

    enter the bust those stereotypes thread
    I'm surprised Unique didn't come on here and bust the stereotypical
    view of ESTP's I think that would be great too. halla and "?" are insightful too.
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Hehe duchess its a nice gesture but us ESTPs aren't really the kind of type to talk to deaf ears, the people who stereotype us are usually immature and it would take more than just a single ESTP post to change their way of thinking.

    I'll try though

    It's funny if you break it down... the stereotypes I've heard so far are

    ESTPs are controlling
    ESTPs are manipulative
    ESTPs are conmen/women
    ESTPs all play sport
    ESTPs are all rough
    ESTPs are stupid

    etc etc

    Firstly

    There are a fair few ESTPs, no we are not going to win a competition for being more common than the SJs but there's enough of us to have a lot of variance in type

    Now the "stupid" thing is usually a stab at sensor types, that sensor types are "stupid"

    Are we?

    Who is the one wasting time with pointless theory's that have no or little value in the real world?

    Who spends longer to come up with the answer because you have to think of every possible scenario?

    I remember talking to thatgirl in vent and she said that she was telling an ESTP about all this stuff and he said "Just do this." and it checked out for all the things she was talking about

    Thats what ESTPs are like, there is no BS, we cut to the point

    Another thing is that Thinking types value their intelligence above all else so to call a thinking type stupid is not only wrong but insulting

    Another thing is a lot of these stereotypers somehow get it into their heads that all S's are the upholders of the system, that we're all the conforming conventional mindless drones

    Nothing against SJs of course but SPs are not remotely like you THATS WHY WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY

    In fact if anyone has a right to complain about the system out there its the SPs as there is very little in the way of the 'arts' including the 'art of business' and the 'art of sport' school is very skewed towards SJs and upper education seems to be more N focused...

    Now as for the ESTPs are controlling or manipulative stereotype its false

    An ESTP moves quickly, what I mean by that is they are not interested in upholding, not interested in controlling but people naturally follow us maybe because we aren't so stuck in our ways, aren't so traditional, we're the ones that on the job say "fu*k it" and improvise when things aren't working

    Being able to improvise is one of the strongest traits for the ESTP but this has lead to the stereotype that we con people

    Yeah conmen/women probably would benefit from being an ESTP, but that doesn't make it any less likely for any other type to have their life lead to having nothing better to do than be a con artist (and my original point stands as well... if all ESTPs were conmen/women i would be worried as we make up a fair amount of the population)

    Well this post became longer than I thought it might, there you go

    Oh and duchess you discovered you're an SP? awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    Hehe duchess its a nice gesture but us ESTPs aren't really the kind of type to talk to deaf ears, the people who stereotype us are usually immature and it would take more than just a single ESTP post to change their way of thinking.

    true about the deaf ears thing but i think someone who is an ESTP but cause of stereotypes think they are not will appreciate your input. I wouldn't worry about the immature people set in there ways more the people who are open minded enough to read a post like this would be great so they can see it's not all black and white .

    I'll try though

    It's funny if you break it down... the stereotypes I've heard so far are

    ESTPs are controlling
    ESTPs are manipulative
    ESTPs are conmen/women
    ESTPs all play sport
    ESTPs are all rough
    ESTPs are stupid

    etc etc

    Firstly

    There are a fair few ESTPs, no we are not going to win a competition for being more common than the SJs but there's enough of us to have a lot of variance in type

    Now the "stupid" thing is usually a stab at sensor types, that sensor types are "stupid"

    Are we?

    Who is the one wasting time with pointless theory's that have no or little value in the real world?

    Who spends longer to come up with the answer because you have to think of every possible scenario?

    I remember talking to thatgirl in vent and she said that she was telling an ESTP about all this stuff and he said "Just do this." and it checked out for all the things she was talking about

    Thats what ESTPs are like, there is no BS, we cut to the point

    Another thing is that Thinking types value their intelligence above all else so to call a thinking type stupid is not only wrong but insulting

    Another thing is a lot of these stereotypers somehow get it into their heads that all S's are the upholders of the system, that we're all the conforming conventional mindless drones right huge misinterpretation even Si in away the healthy ones can be open minded too just the want sure ground to stand on *as we all do in away but we all define that in our own way*

    Nothing against SJs of course but SPs are not remotely like you THATS WHY WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY

    In fact if anyone has a right to complain about the system out there its the SPs as there is very little in the way of the 'arts' including the 'art of business' and the 'art of sport' school is very skewed towards SJs and upper education seems to be more N focused... true very structured and also which brings to mind I remember when i was in elementary and they ask you where do you think your going to be when your 20,30 and so on. I would just make crap up XD I didn't know yet one i was a kid but really even now i would be unsure of what i want to be and where cause you never know for sure. My mother gets frustrated with me cause i keep changing course so i just won't talk to her about it xDDD. I want to do this no this....maybe this ahhh screw it i'll shadow people of some interesting professions and get a taste of it then take it from there .

    Now as for the ESTPs are controlling or manipulative stereotype its false

    An ESTP moves quickly, what I mean by that is they are not interested in upholding, not interested in controlling but people naturally follow us maybe because we aren't so stuck in our ways, aren't so traditional, we're the ones that on the job say "fu*k it" and improvise when things aren't working.

    Being able to improvise is one of the strongest traits for the ESTP but this has lead to the stereotype that we con people

    Yeah conmen/women probably would benefit from being an ESTP, but that doesn't make it any less likely for any other type to have their life lead to having nothing better to do than be a con artist (and my original point stands as well... if all ESTPs were conmen/women i would be worried as we make up a fair amount of the population)

    Well this post became longer than I thought it might, there you go

    thank you unique.

    Oh and duchess you discovered you're an SP? awesome.
    yeah talking with you made me realize alot I shared your general philosophy of live and let live/live now. Also I think the reason is also I am a type 6 in the enneagram so I can come across SJish. Also cause of my mother and sis but I think i'm getting somewhere. the NFness comes from Fi is what i'm thinking I can be pretty oblivious to what's around me but hey I am an introvert after all. ISFP stands *stands invigorated on the top of a mountain and knods her head in agreement* yes sir unique.

    * agree with needing to let things jell and not jump in to act now...been told you just want the answers now huh? heh yeppers.

    *also realized I'm more in tune with my senses then interpreting what could that tree/sunset symbolize to me emotionally to what's happening internally (Fi) but not in a Ne way as in global broad meaning. Se has me appreciate the beauty of the tree or forest/field the colors and the wind against my face/smell of the morning air or feel of it/ dew on the grass/Fog. etc*sighs ahhhhhh okay i'm good thought i'd rephrase that.*etc. got a pretty functional Ne when needed but other then that I prefer to be "here" heh get annoyed with too much planning and even details but that's cause instead of enjoying now I'm planning eeh :steam:.

    *when i was in HS we would figure out the conclusion for our essays before we would actually start the paragraphs I hated it at first but then i saw it was helpful in foreseeing what i was going to write about.

    *also friction with family was usually cause i was feeling *done dah dah* restricted and held back also felt taken advantage of but I Understand alittle more now. mother would say so what hours are you going to have and when? i didn't know yet she was trying to plan every move and it bothered me cause then i would feel trapped ^^P mama mia *shrugges shoulders and smiles what do you do eh? heh*

    *and last I just know cause that's it really I have looked through so many types figuring hmm maybe isfj, infp, even intp, intj, istj, infj which i think is like a second choice. aaannd "roll with the changes" by REO and "it's my life" by JBJ have been anthems since i was 12-16ish remember for REO I was air guitaring lol can't sit still when a good beat's going .

    Thought i would at least provide some reason behind my mad skipping here as i believe it's earned it's meddle jumping all over the types heh.


    very beautiful post unique thank you so much for taking the time out for that
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    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    It's funny if you break it down... the stereotypes I've heard so far are

    ESTPs are controlling
    ESTPs are manipulative
    ESTPs are conmen/women
    ESTPs all play sport
    ESTPs are all rough
    ESTPs are stupid
    This link presents the ESTP more objectively:
    http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTP_car.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    This link presents the ESTP more objectively:
    Careers for ESTP Personality Types
    On the contrary I think personality page has some serious flaws

    And even worse right from the get go in the title "The Doer"

    ESTPs do things as in practical application so why is this a bad title you ask?

    Because it implies that we are like an ESTJ and do the nasty chores that most ESTPs considerer unimportant

    Before you say "I didn't take it that way" there are clearly plenty of people that did as I remember an okcupid test or something similar that said something like "You're an ESTP its all about doing something with you isn't it?"

    It's just a very SJ sort of title that doesn't send the right message

    Further proof is when I showed my ESTJ dad mbti and he decided to read mine and instantly said "but you're not a doer" to which I had to explain what they really meant by it

    It's also completely contradictory to what they say later too

    "All-in-all, they have extraordinary talents for getting things started. They are not usually so good at following through, and might leave those tasks to others. Mastering the art of following through is something which ESTPs should pay special attention to."

    Most people are going to read a description like the personality page one and instantly think of that annoying person who orders people about telling people to do things and running around doing a bunch of mundane tasks themselves which is nothing like the ESTP at all.

    Nothing against ESTJs they stop the all the slackers but I'm just sick of idiots thinking we're anything like them, in fact according to socionics the relation between the ESTP and ESTJ is extremely bad and I can say that its true from personal experience

    What's weird about personality page is they also have accurate information too such as:

    "ESTPs are practical, observant, fun-loving, spontaneous risk-takers with an excellent ability to quickly improvise an innovative solution to a problem. They're enthusiastic and fun to be with, and are great motivators."

    Notice the wording here, we motivate people but don't control them. This part is very true.

    I like the keirsey description for ESTPs calling us the "promotors" thats what we do we PROMOTE but we DON'T set up the event

    Which brings me to another part of the personality page description that could be taken the wrong way "Blunt, straight-forward risk-takers, they are willing to plunge right into things and get their hands dirty"

    I don't like the wording of this, "getting your hands dirty" implies once again a sort of mundane task that ESTPs avoid like the plague

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    hmm....thank you unique

    what do you or anyone else think about this website it seems to have pretty good articles on it
    Myers-Briggs Personality Test MBTI Personality Types
    these were the descriptions from this link above

    "The Sensing (S) side of our brain notices the sights, sounds, smells and all the sensory details of the PRESENT. It categorizes, organizes, records and stores the specifics from the here and now. It is REALITY based, dealing with "what is." It also provides the specific details of memory & recollections from PAST events.

    The Intuitive (N) side of our brain seeks to understand, interpret and form OVERALL patterns of all the information that is collected and records these patterns and relationships. It speculates on POSSIBILITIES, including looking into and forecasting the FUTURE. It is imaginative and conceptual.

    Sensing Characteristics

    Mentally live in the Now, attending to present opportunities

    Using common sense and creating practical solutions is automatic-instinctual

    Memory recall is rich in detail of facts and past events

    Best improvise from past experience

    Like clear and concrete information; dislike guessing when facts are "fuzzy"

    /////
    Intuitive Characteristics

    Mentally live in the Future, attending to future possibilities

    Using imagination and creating/inventing new possibilities is automatic-instinctual

    Memory recall emphasizes patterns, contexts, and connections

    Best improvise from theoretical understanding

    Comfortable with ambiguous, fuzzy data and with guessing its meaning.

    \
    The Thinking (T) side of our brain analyzes information in a DETACHED, objective fashion. It operates from factual principles, deduces and forms conclusions systematically. It is our logical nature.

    The Feeling (F) side of our brain forms conclusions in an ATTACHED and somewhat global manner, based on likes/dislikes, impact on others, and human and aesthetic values. It is our subjective nature.

    Thinking Characteristics

    Instinctively search for facts and logic in a decision situation.

    Naturally notices tasks and work to be accomplished.

    Easily able to provide an objective and critical analysis.

    Accept conflict as a natural, normal part of relationships with people.

    //////
    Feeling Characteristics

    Instinctively employ personal feelings and impact on people in decision situations

    Naturally sensitive to people needs and reactions.

    Naturally seek consensus and popular opinions.

    Unsettled by conflict; have almost a toxic reaction to disharmony.

    ////
    All people use both judging (thinking and feeling) and perceiving (sensing and intuition) processes to store information, organize our thoughts, make decisions, take actions and manage our lives. Yet one of these processes (Judging or Perceiving) tends to take the lead in our relationship with the outside world . . . while the other governs our inner world.

    A Judging (J) style approaches the outside world WITH A PLAN and is oriented towards organizing one's surroundings, being prepared, making decisions and reaching closure and completion.

    A Perceiving (P) style takes the outside world AS IT COMES and is adopting and adapting, flexible, open-ended and receptive to new opportunities and changing game plans.

    Perceiving Characteristics

    Comfortable moving into action without a plan; plan on-the-go.

    Like to multitask, have variety, mix work and play.

    Naturally tolerant of time pressure; work best close to the deadlines.

    Instinctively avoid commitments which interfere with flexibility, freedom and variety
    /////
    Judging Characteristics

    Plan many of the details in advance before moving into action.

    Focus on task-related action; complete meaningful segments before moving on.

    Work best and avoid stress when able to keep ahead of deadlines.

    Naturally use targets, dates and standard routines to manage life.
    ///
    link 2
    MBTI Personality Trait correlates - Applications of Personality Type & the MBTI-Carl Jung model

    describes E vs I N vs S T vs F J vs P and goes into the definition of words associated with it like S and "Concrete - depend on verifiable, factual information and direct perceptions. literal, mistrust fuzzy information"

    Realistic - value being practical, cost-effective, and exercising common sense.

    Pragmatic - highly values the usefulness or applications of an idea - more interesting than idea itself.

    Experiential - heavily grounded by first hand, past experience. Reluctant to generalize beyond direct experience. *hint of SJness?/Si*

    Traditional - trust what is familiar, support established groups and methods, honor precedents. *sounds more SJ doesn't it unique?*

    N:

    Abstract - comfortable with and inferring meaning from ambiguous and non-literal information. Perceptive.

    Imaginative - enjoy being ingenious, clever and novel . . . for its own sake.

    Intellectual - learning, acquiring knowledge, mental challenges are valued as an end in itself. *mind you S's can be "intellectual" and value "mental challenges" and acquiring knowledge. I know I do as SF borderline t/j ish but ISFP none the less.

    Theoretical - conceptual, automatically search for patterns in observed facts, comfortable with theories and inventing new ones. Resourceful.

    Original - values initiative and enterprising, inventive, and novel solutions. Often mistrusts conventional wisdom.


    E:

    Gregarious - drawn to large number and variety of relationships.

    Enthusiastic - being energetically with the "action" and at the center of things.

    Initiator - social facilitator, assertively outgoing, build bridges among people.

    Expressive - easy to know, approachable, warm, readily show feelings.

    Auditory - learn through listening, active dialogue, and involvement with others.

    I:
    Intimate - most comfortable in small groups and with one-on-one relationships.

    Quiet - present themselves modestly, drawn to the calm away from the center of action.

    Receptor - content to let others initiate social amenities - even to the point of being overlooked.

    Contained - well controlled, calm exterior, often difficult for others to "read.".

    Visual - learn through observation, reflection, reading, and more solitary means.

    T:
    Critical - comfortable making distinctions, categorizing, making win/lose choices, being in adversarial situations.

    Tough Minded - results oriented, ends justify the means, stick on task. Firm

    Questionning - intellectually independent, resistant to influence, self confident.

    Logical - values and trusts detached, objective, and logical analysis.

    Reasonable - is clear-thinking, objective, reasoned, and logical in everyday decision-making.

    F:

    Accepting - tolerant towards human failings, see positive side of others, instinctually seeks win/win resolutions of problems.

    Tender Hearted - use gentle persuasion to influence, reluctant to force compliance..

    Accomodating - seeks consensus, deferential, conflict avoiding, seeks harmony.

    Affective - trusts emotions and feelings, values human considerations, in touch with feelings.

    Compassionate - makes decisions on overall impressions, patterns, and feelings (including emotional likes and dislikes).

    J:
    Early Starter - focused. Structure activities to work on one thing at a time, allowing adequate time for proper completion.

    Systematic - prefers orderly, structured and programmed responses. Likes formal contingency planning.

    Scheduled - creates and easily follows standardized and familiar routines.

    Planful - likes to schedule future commitments far in advance, uses dates and deadlines to organize their energies.

    Methodical - implements projects in a planned, organized, and step-by-step manner. Self programming.

    P:
    Pressure Prompted - prefers variety and multi-tasking. Most effectively energized when working close to deadlines.

    Casual - comfortable making adjustments as situation requires. Prefers informal guidelines vs. structured rules. Adaptable.

    Spontaneous - dislikes repeatedly following the same routines. Seeks variety and change.

    Open-ended - strongly values preserving flexibility and freedom, dislikes being tied down by long range plans. Makes flexible plans.

    Emergent - ad hoc planner. Moves quickly into action without detailed plans, plans on the go. Risk taking.

    MBTI 16 Personality Types

    "While the MBTI meets the conventional test standards for reliability and validity, accurately measuring something extremely complex like the whole of a person's personality type is beyond the power of our traditional psychometric tools. A whole host of conditions impact the "test taking" situation, including mood, life situation, aspirations, work implications, degree of self-insight, gender expectations, level of psychological maturity, to name just a few. Then add the fact that the human mind is constantly evolving, learning and unlearning things, and maturing-growing. All of these factors are why Isabel Myers originally called her instrument an "indicator." "

    Personality Type & MBTI-Carl Jung model | Applications

    Myers-Briggs Personality Types Development Dynamics: Myers, Briggs & Carl Jung

    from above article
    "Be guided away from Type Stereotyping. Since the Face patterns include all four mental functions (with their 8 expressions), it helps us "see" more of the whole person and avoid the stereotyping we sometimes fall into . . . i.e. talking about Thinking preference people as if they have no developed Feeling side to their personality or implying Sensing preference people lack Intuition by expressing "wonder" when they demonstrate creativity."

    Jung's Theory of Psychological Type | Lenore Thomson Bentz another goodie first goes into what type isn't
    "Thank you for getting at what seems to me two chief concerns of Isabel Myers, the inventor of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. She emphasized that her questionnaire does not indicate skill and was horrified when a bank misused it to fire all its employees preferring intuition." woah hello .

    "Jung called these standpoints functions, naming them as Sensation, Intuition, Feeling, and Thinking. These terms don't refer, in any way, to the entire human psyche. They don't mean senses, imagination, emotion, and intellect.

    Rather, they refer to the kinds of information the cognitive mind derives from our bodily and emotional experiences -- respectively, aesthetics, symbols, ideals, and concepts. "
    how do you guys respond to this? sound more accurate?

    Myers Briggs and MBTI resources - applications of Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, Personality Type, to personal&team work development - Personality Pathways
    "MBTI Personality Type and Stereotype: Reflections from APT 14 - the International Conference on Psychological Type
    By Ross Reinhold, INTJ
    these articles are nice they give concrete, real life examples.
    Sensing and Intuiting MBTI Article for Energy Medicia

    A Sensor (S) in a garden is overwhelmed by the sight, smell, and feel of the flowers. He is aware of the birds singing in the trees. The Intuitor (N) experiences the garden and jumps to thoughts such as: "I wonder how many of these flowers have medicinal properties? Are they identified with their Latin botanical names?" The saying "Stop and smell the roses" was written to admonish the Intuitors. how's this resonate?

    Best estimates are that there are about 75% Sensors and 25% Intuitors in the general population. This ratio holds equally for men and women. The Sensors tend to be more practical and down to earth, while the Intuitors tend to be more visionary. Imagine if the percentages were reversed! We would be bombarded by new ideas and few people to look after the details. interesting mention hmm.

    Intuitors tend to be more abstract and Sensors tend to be more concrete in their thought. It is not that Intuitors are smarter than Sensors; but often Intuitors will do better on IQ tests since they were designed by Intuitors. Also, the tests measure more abstract reasoning. Sensors are just as smart. They are just smart in different ways. Besides Sensors can and do use their Intuiting skills as Intuitors can and do use their Sensing skills.

    this is the next article for T and F

    Thinking - Feeling - article #4 for Energy medicine

    Judging or Perceiving - Organized or Adaptabl;e
    for J and P

    Extraversion- Introversion - Energy Medicine

    E and I
    each different article/blog.
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    It Isn't Always What You Do, But How and Where You Do It- Career Advice MBTI-Style ~ THE MBTI BLOG "i think this blog post is what xander was explaining with the intp isn't me thing ^^). quote from blogger below.
    "As an ISTJ, I should be in some concrete form of science or mathematics (engineer, accountant, etc) but I am not. Why? My life experiences and socialization have taken me on a different path. In my role, there are few things that fit the typical preferences of an ISTJ. My job is unpredictable, heavily customer-focused, abstract, and frequently involves ambiguous roles. And yet- it's a perfect match. Why? Because I make the role fit me. "

    The PEOPLE Process bunch of useful articles shop around .
    Thinking vs. Feeling- A little humor for your Monday... ~ THE MBTI BLOG XDDD hurt feelings report this is funny.
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    We're the ones that on the job say "fu*k it" and improvise when things aren't working.
    INTP's also improvise, and also, don't make an ass of yourself by propogating misinformation about MBTI.

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