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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    where is a resource where you can learn how to figure out the order of the 8 functions based on their four letter type? i don't know hwo to do that.
    Linda V. Berens' booklet on the Dynamics of Personality Type assigns the following numbers and roles(+positive/-negative) for the personality types:
    1. +Leading/-Dominating
    2. +Supporting/-Overprotective
    3. +Relief/-Unsettling (opposite of 2nd)
    4. +Aspirational/-Projective (opposite of 1st)
    5. -Opposing/+Backup (opposite orientation of 1st)
    6. -Critical/+Discovery (opposite orientation of 2nd)
    7. -Deceiving/+Comedic(opposite preference of 2nd)
    8. -Devilish/Transformative(opposite preference of 1st)


    I am assuming you already know how to get the top two functions (Socionics notwithstanding)

    What I mean by opposites: Fe-Ti, Te-Fi, Ne-Si, Se-Ni.
    What I mean by opposite orientation: Fe-Fi, Te-Ti, Ne-Ni, Se-Si.
    What I mean by opposite preference: Fe-Te, Fi-Ti, Ne-Se, Ni-Si.

    The 5th through 8th process are considered shadow processes and make communication difficult.

    So for an INTJ, the order of assignment is:
    Ni-Te-Fi-Se-Ne-Ti-Fe-Si


    On the other hand:

    Lenore Thompson (or at least how I read her book) groups the functions into the following 4 categories:

    Extroverted Judging: Fe,Te
    Introverted Judging: Fi, Ti
    Extroverted Perceiving: Ne, Se
    Introverted Perceiving: Ni, Si

    She says for healthy development, people should stick to their particular structure of Extroverted Judging - Introverted Perceiving or Extroverted Perceiving-Introverted judging (keeping you introvert extrovert preference of coarse).

    So for an ISFJ, it is claimed to me healthier to develop either introverted perceiving function and either extroverted judging function than to develop either introverted judging function or either extroverted perceiving function.

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    The time I took the cognitive processes test my use of Ne was second worst only to Fe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The time I took the cognitive processes test my use of Ne was second worst only to Fe...
    Yes, mine are not 'normal' either for our type.

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    So my dominant function is Ni, but I relate to Ne as well. It could be interesting for others to compare and contrast both dimensions of their dominant functions as well. I will highlight the portions of each that apply to my thinking and then describe how these relate. Here's the link that describes dominant functions outside the context of how they interrelate in a given personality. Cognitive Processes Assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ni
    Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden Aha! or That is it!The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.
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    Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someones behavior really means. It also involves seeing things as if, with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We do not know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.
    As is described with Ni, my mind processes information by reconciling paradox. My first step when presented with information is to extract its core qualities and to devise these into the most meaningful, elegant polar opposites i can formulate. Seeing relationships between opposites and reconciling how they are related is the foundation of my thought. Once these continuum are formed, it allows for a sliding scale with which information can be processed in real time. Conclusions are never drawn absolutely, but information is placed along the many continuum as a sliding scale as more facts come in. Ideas are viewed from every possible angle, because the polarities can create various axes of thought into which the details form a multidimensional whole. (Before i get tangled up in my own head here, let me use a metaphor - Ni moment ) You can see a mountain from one view, but any single view of the mountain is a fragment, an incomplete truth. It would take nearly an eternity to have a complete comprehension of every angle and vantage point of the mountain and how it was formed. Looking comprehensively enough, the mountain has no single starting or ending point and so it is by its nature a slice of eternity. Still, the more context is comprehended, the more the given fragment can obtain its meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    As is described with Ni, my mind processes information by reconciling paradox. My first step when presented with information is to extract its core qualities and to devise these into the most meaningful, elegant polar opposites i can formulate. Seeing relationships between opposites and reconciling how they are related is the foundation of my thought. Once these continuum are formed, it allows for a sliding scale with which information can be processed in real time. Conclusions are never drawn absolutely, but information is placed along the many continuum as a sliding scale as more facts come in. Ideas are viewed from every possible angle, because the polarities can create various axes of thought into which the details form a multidimensional whole. (Before i get tangled up in my own head here, let me use a metaphor - Ni moment ) You can see a mountain from one view, but any single view of the mountain is a fragment, an incomplete truth. It would take nearly an eternity to have a complete comprehension of every angle and vantage point of the mountain and how it was formed. Looking comprehensively enough, the mountain has no single starting or ending point and so it is by its nature a slice of eternity. Still, the more context is comprehended, the more the given fragment can obtain its meaning.
    This is the first description of Ni I've ever really related to. That's pretty close to how I think when I use it. It's not exactly what the authors of personality books describe, but something like what you just said. Never really knowing about something precisely, always looking for new insight into something, and relying on a given context to derive the meaning of the situation, not simply taking it at face value.

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